I suspect that a force of this nature will balance out in the long run due to
the rotation of the Earth.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, May 15, 2015 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nextgen EM Drive's Potential seems way above the Theoretical
Limit
I'm not mistaken about the gravitational impact of a fleet of flying cars
suspended in the air by a reactionless propulsion, the earth would face many
millions or billions of tons of net force pushing on it.
The question is how long would this take to effect the earth's orbit
significantly?
Days? Years? Decades? Centuries? Millenna?
At any rate it would eventually disturb the earth's current orbit dramatically.
Something to be cautious of.
John
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 6:26 AM, Roarty, Francis X
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote:
Axil, one more jump and you will be out on the limb as far as me :_ you said
[snip] In another thought, catalatic action of nano sized particles and
structures could be based on time acceleration by those nano
structures.[/snip].. I agree and even suggest that ALL catalytic action is
based on geometry – not as powerful as a skeletal catalyst or nano powders [we
don’t need relativistic levels of negative vacuum pressure to shake things
up/catalyze], dynamic changes in geometry at even small Casimir levels will
still oppose random motion , even looping forever in a closed irregular cavity
should generate friction for trapped ambient gas [don’t ask about levitating
pyramid calcium -lime blocks yet :_)]– forcing random motion [HUP] to
accelerate chemical reactions thru changes in confinement. I think that simple
catalytic action is actually a Heisenberg trap based on lesser geometry. It
puts random motion of liquids and gas into opposition with smaller changes in
negative vacuum pressure. [in supra catalysts we would call this dynamic
Casimir effect and the confinement is sufficient that we hear of radioactive
half lives being altered in both directions which IMHO is based on which type
of partition [+ or -] the radioactive particle happens to favor based on it’s
shape atomic or molecular]. In normal catalysts I don’t think the radioactive
decay differential is significant – just like Lorentzian contraction and time
dilation only occur near hi fractions of C, I think dilation of radioactive
half lifes require a supra catalyst BUT catalytic action derives most of it’s
power to drive reactions from sharp changes in the vacuum pressure packed
closely together – since the geometry is stationary it requires a moving medium
and sharp irregular shaped geometries pressed close together – the same as nano
powders and skeletal cats but less critical and less powerful.
Citations:
a 2009 paper, “Pinpointing catalytic reactions on carbon nanotubes “, by Peng
Chen et all from Cornell Univercity in which researchers discovered that
catalytic action only occurs when this nanogeometry CHANGES at the openings and
defects of a nanotube. Cavity QED , And My blog
http://froarty.scienceblog.com/32155/relativistic-interpertation-of-casimir-effect-expanded/
Fran
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 12:08 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Nextgen EM Drive's Potential seems way above
the Theoretical Limit
>From a previous post except in part as follows:
have referenced papers here to show how the confinement of electrons on the
surface of gold nanoparticles: a nanoplasmonic mechanism can change the
half-life of U232 from 69 years to 6 microseconds. It also causes thorium to
fission.
See references:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1112.6276&ei=nI6UUeG1Fq-N0QGypIAg&usg=AFQjCNFB59F1wkDv-NzeYg5TpnyZV1kpKQ&sig2=fhdWJ_enNKlLA4HboFBTUA&bvm=bv.46471029,d.dmQ
Experiments showing the same mechanism as listed below:
"Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium under exposure of solid targets
in heavy water"
http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.0830
Initiation of nuclear reactions under laser irradiation of Au nanoparticles
in the presence of Thorium aqua ions
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0906/0906.4268.pdf
===============================
In these experiments, nano geometry converts light energy from the laser into
vortex motion of electrons in a nanoplasmonic soliton produced on the surface
of the gold nanoparticles. Without the gold nanoparticles, laser light alone is
ineffectual in this type of experiment.
The soliton produces the separation of the vacuum into positive and negative
zones. It also forces the entanglement of the soliton with the U232 nucleus by
pumping energy into the vacuum. This vacuum energy pumping using EMF energy
from microwaves also happens in the EmDrive system.
-----------------------------------------------------
In another thought, catalatic action of nano sized particles and structures
could be based on time acceleration by those nano structures. Rossi has used a
nickel based catalatic micro particle and amplified its effects by using
nanoparticles of lithium to amplify the catalatic time acceleration effect to a
huge amount. This amplification is done through SPP asymmetric coupling, where
a large soliton feeds energy superconductively into a series of smaller
solitons...like a transformer.
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>
wrote:
Axil,
You also mentioned [snip] In one experiment, a radioactive isotope with a
half-life of 69 years was reduced to 6 microseconds.
That is 15 orders of magnitude reduction. Most halflife reductions in LENR are
instantaneous. Time could be moving very rapidly in the zone of negative vacuum
energy. There looks to be a way to share that increase in the speedup of the
rate of time with matter through the entanglement of matter with the zone of
negative vacuum...AKA the surface plasmon-polariton soliton[/snip]
I don’t know how these experiments were performed but I suspect that only a
small portion of the radioactive gas can be in the most negative zones at a
time such that the effect is actually greater still.. even if fully contained
in a cavity [instead of cycled thru], only the gas migrating into the most
confined tapestry of the nano geometry [1/plate spacing^3] would receive the
realativistic levels of dilation.
Fran
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 2:34 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Nextgen EM Drive's Potential seems way above the
Theoretical Limit
Dear Francis X,
I am coming around to your way of thinking.
Regarding...
“when lasers were fired through the EmDrive’s resonance chamber, some of the
beams appeared to travel faster than the speed of light. If that’s true, it
would mean that the EmDrive is producing a warp field or bubble. “
The resonant shape of the microwave EmDrive cavity produces a pattern of
positive and negative vacuum energy that corresponds to the high and low energy
pattern of microwave radiation generated by electromagnetic interference. The
zone of increased positive vacuum energy may produce longer lived virtual
particles whose lifetime is proportional to the "false" vacuum value
characterize by the zone of EMF excited vacuum. But to keep energy conservation
of the vacuum constant, a positive zone of vacuum energy must also correspond
with and be offset by a negative zone of vacuum energy.
The lifetimes of these longer lived virtual particles may be long enough to
provide a reaction platform that meets the requirements of Newton’s momentum
laws.
Furthermore, there could be a connection between the EmDrive and the LENR
reaction. That connection could be the partitioning of the vacuum into positive
and negative zones.
This might mean that the speed of light increases beyond its nominal value in a
zone of negative vacuum energy. In a homonginous vacuum, the speed of forward
photon propagation is determined by how fast the photon goes from one virtual
particle creation event to the next based on the density of virtual particles
produced in the vacuum by the averge virtual particle creation rate. In a
homogenous vacuum, If the average rate of photon virtual particle interaction
is steady, This steady rate of light’s interatcion with the particles of the
vacuum will produce a steady average maximum speed of light through the vacuum.
In a zone of negative vacuum energy, less virtual particles are produced. This
reduces the density of virtual particles encountered by the photon per unit
time. Less friction from the vacuum results, thereby increaseing the speed of
light through the zone of negitive vacuum energy.
Time speeds up when the speed of light in increased.
LENR seems to separate the vacuum into a positive zone and a negative zone. The
positive zone produces the fusion reaction, and the negative zone suppresses
the gamma and stabizes the radioactive results of the fusion.
LENR will dramatically increase the decay rate of radioactive isotopes. This
might be caused by the entanglement of the nucleus of the radioactive atom with
the zone of negitive vacuum energy. The speed of time progression in the radio
active atom might be same as the speed of time in the zone of negative vacuum
energy.
If this reaction is true, the rate of reduction of virtual particle production
in the zone of negative vacuum energy might be proportional to the speed up of
the rate of radioactive decay produced by LENR.
In one experiment, a radioactive isotope with a half-life of 69 years was
reduced to 6 microseconds.
That is 15 orders of magnitude reduction. Most halflife reductions in LENR are
instantaneous. Time could be moving very rapidly in the zone of negative vacuum
energy. There looks to be a way to share that increase in the speedup of the
rate of time with matter through the entanglement of matter with the zone of
negative vacuum...AKA the surface plasmon-polariton soliton
I segest this experiment with the EmDrive to verify this theory of time
acceleration. Place a gamma emmiting isotope inside an EmDrive enclosure where
the microwave interference is descriptive. If the rate of gamma production is
reduced and/or the half-life of the isotope is reduced then the effects of
negative vacuum energy on time will be verified both in the EmDrive and in
LENR.
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>
wrote:
We don't know enough to answer the question because we don't know enough about
the origin of the force. Even if it is relativistic as Shawyer claims and the
spatial area occupied by the device modifies the encompassed inertial frames
that breach the isotropy there remains a strong likelihood that an equal and
opposite frame is created and the device is only able to directionalize gravity
to produce thrust..NOT able to accumulate a buoyancy. IMHO his use of the term
thrust is probably correct and that we won't get a bubble from microwaves in a
shaped cavity.
Fran
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 9:50 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Nextgen EM Drive's Potential seems way above the
Theoretical Limit
Hovering does not violate Newton's laws IMHO. Energy and momentum are
conserved.
Bob Cook
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From: <mix...@bigpond.com>
To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nextgen EM Drive's Potential seems way above the
Theoretical Limit
In reply to Frank Znidarsic's message of Mon, 11 May 2015 18:58:16 -0400:
Hi Frank,
[snip]
>The video states that m drive obeys Newtow's laws. It has no reaction
>mass. It does not obey Newton's laws. That comment was an understatement
>bordering on misinformation.
>
>
>Frank Z
Which of Newton's laws does it violate?
Does a car going down the road doesn't have reaction mass? Does it violate
Newton's laws?
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
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