David, you are missing the fact that there would be more of these in the northern hemisphere, so sure there would be a balance from rotation from an unequal latitudinal (east/west) distribution, but the longitudinal (north/south) will not be balanced and given time will get the earth out of her orbit.
John On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 4:10 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: > I suspect that a force of this nature will balance out in the long run > due to the rotation of the Earth. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Fri, May 15, 2015 7:08 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nextgen EM Drive's Potential seems way above the > Theoretical Limit > > I'm not mistaken about the gravitational impact of a fleet of flying > cars suspended in the air by a reactionless propulsion, the earth would > face many millions or billions of tons of net force pushing on it. > > The question is how long would this take to effect the earth's orbit > significantly? > > Days? Years? Decades? Centuries? Millenna? > > At any rate it would eventually disturb the earth's current orbit > dramatically. > > Something to be cautious of. > > John > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 6:26 AM, Roarty, Francis X < > francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > >> Axil, one more jump and you will be out on the limb as far as me :_ you >> said [snip] In another thought, catalatic action of nano sized particles >> and structures could be based on time acceleration by those nano >> structures.[/snip].. I agree and even suggest that ALL catalytic action >> is based on geometry – not as powerful as a skeletal catalyst or nano >> powders [we don’t need relativistic levels of negative vacuum pressure to >> shake things up/catalyze], dynamic changes in geometry at even small >> Casimir levels will still oppose random motion , even looping forever in a >> closed irregular cavity should generate friction for trapped ambient gas >> [don’t ask about levitating pyramid calcium -lime blocks yet :_)]– forcing >> random motion [HUP] to accelerate chemical reactions thru changes in >> confinement. I think that simple catalytic action is actually a Heisenberg >> trap based on lesser geometry. It puts random motion of liquids and gas >> into opposition with smaller changes in negative vacuum pressure. [in supra >> catalysts we would call this dynamic Casimir effect and the confinement is >> sufficient that we hear of radioactive half lives being altered in both >> directions which IMHO is based on which type of partition [+ or -] the >> radioactive particle happens to favor based on it’s shape atomic or >> molecular]. In normal catalysts I don’t think the radioactive decay >> differential is significant – just like Lorentzian contraction and time >> dilation only occur near hi fractions of C, I think dilation of radioactive >> half lifes require a supra catalyst BUT catalytic action derives most of >> it’s power to drive reactions from sharp changes in the vacuum pressure >> packed closely together – since the geometry is stationary it requires a >> moving medium and sharp irregular shaped geometries pressed close together >> – the same as nano powders and skeletal cats but less critical and less >> powerful. >> Citations: >> a 2009 paper, “Pinpointing catalytic reactions on carbon nanotubes >> <http://www.physorg.com/news159199255.html> “, by Peng Chen et all from >> Cornell Univercity in which researchers discovered that catalytic action >> only occurs when this nanogeometry CHANGES at the openings and defects of a >> nanotube. Cavity QED >> <http://www.actaphys.uj.edu.pl/_old/vol27/pdf/v27p2409.pdf> , And My >> blog >> http://froarty.scienceblog.com/32155/relativistic-interpertation-of-casimir-effect-expanded/ >> >> Fran >> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 12:08 PM >> *To:* vortex-l >> *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Nextgen EM Drive's Potential seems way >> above the Theoretical Limit >> >> From a previous post except in part as follows: >> >> have referenced papers here to show how the confinement of electrons >> on the surface of gold nanoparticles: a nanoplasmonic mechanism can change >> the half-life of U232 from 69 years to 6 microseconds. It also causes >> thorium to fission. >> >> See references: >> >> >> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1112.6276&ei=nI6UUeG1Fq-N0QGypIAg&usg=AFQjCNFB59F1wkDv-NzeYg5TpnyZV1kpKQ&sig2=fhdWJ_enNKlLA4HboFBTUA&bvm=bv.46471029,d.dmQ >> >> Experiments showing the same mechanism as listed below: >> >> "Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium under exposure of solid >> targets in heavy water" >> >> http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.0830 >> >> Initiation of nuclear reactions under laser irradiation of Au >> nanoparticles in the presence of Thorium aqua ions >> >> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0906/0906.4268.pdf >> >> =============================== >> >> In these experiments, nano geometry converts light energy from the >> laser into vortex motion of electrons in a nanoplasmonic soliton produced >> on the surface of the gold nanoparticles. Without the gold nanoparticles, >> laser light alone is ineffectual in this type of experiment. >> >> The soliton produces the separation of the vacuum into positive and >> negative zones. It also forces the entanglement of the soliton with the >> U232 nucleus by pumping energy into the vacuum. This vacuum energy pumping >> using EMF energy from microwaves also happens in the EmDrive system. >> >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> >> In another thought, catalatic action of nano sized particles and >> structures could be based on time acceleration by those nano structures. >> Rossi has used a nickel based catalatic micro particle and amplified its >> effects by using nanoparticles of lithium to amplify the catalatic time >> acceleration effect to a huge amount. This amplification is done through >> SPP asymmetric coupling, where a large soliton feeds energy >> superconductively into a series of smaller solitons...like a transformer. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Roarty, Francis X < >> francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: >> Axil, >> You also mentioned [snip] In one experiment, a radioactive isotope with >> a half-life of 69 years was reduced to 6 microseconds. >> That is 15 orders of magnitude reduction. Most halflife reductions in >> LENR are instantaneous. Time could be moving very rapidly in the zone of >> negative vacuum energy. There looks to be a way to share that increase in >> the speedup of the rate of time with matter through the entanglement of >> matter with the zone of negative vacuum...AKA the surface plasmon-polariton >> soliton[/snip] >> >> I don’t know how these experiments were performed but I suspect that only >> a small portion of the radioactive gas can be in the most negative zones at >> a time such that the effect is actually greater still.. even if fully >> contained in a cavity [instead of cycled thru], only the gas migrating into >> the most confined tapestry of the nano geometry [1/plate spacing^3] would >> receive the realativistic levels of dilation. >> Fran >> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 2:34 AM >> *To:* vortex-l >> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Nextgen EM Drive's Potential seems way >> above the Theoretical Limit >> >> Dear Francis X, >> >> I am coming around to your way of thinking. >> >> Regarding... >> >> “when lasers were fired through the EmDrive’s resonance chamber, some >> of the beams appeared to travel faster than the speed of light. If that’s >> true, it would mean that the EmDrive is producing a warp field or bubble. “ >> >> The resonant shape of the microwave EmDrive cavity produces a pattern >> of positive and negative vacuum energy that corresponds to the high and low >> energy pattern of microwave radiation generated by electromagnetic >> interference. The zone of increased positive vacuum energy may produce >> longer lived virtual particles whose lifetime is proportional to the >> "false" vacuum value characterize by the zone of EMF excited vacuum. But to >> keep energy conservation of the vacuum constant, a positive zone of vacuum >> energy must also correspond with and be offset by a negative zone of vacuum >> energy. >> >> The lifetimes of these longer lived virtual particles may be long >> enough to provide a reaction platform that meets the requirements of >> Newton’s momentum laws. >> >> >> Furthermore, there could be a connection between the EmDrive and the >> LENR reaction. That connection could be the partitioning of the vacuum into >> positive and negative zones. >> >> This might mean that the speed of light increases beyond its nominal >> value in a zone of negative vacuum energy. In a homonginous vacuum, the >> speed of forward photon propagation is determined by how fast the photon >> goes from one virtual particle creation event to the next based on the >> density of virtual particles produced in the vacuum by the averge virtual >> particle creation rate. In a homogenous vacuum, If the average rate of >> photon virtual particle interaction is steady, This steady rate of light’s >> interatcion with the particles of the vacuum will produce a steady average >> maximum speed of light through the vacuum. >> >> In a zone of negative vacuum energy, less virtual particles are >> produced. This reduces the density of virtual particles encountered by the >> photon per unit time. Less friction from the vacuum results, thereby >> increaseing the speed of light through the zone of negitive vacuum energy. >> Time speeds up when the speed of light in increased. >> >> LENR seems to separate the vacuum into a positive zone and a negative >> zone. The positive zone produces the fusion reaction, and the negative zone >> suppresses the gamma and stabizes the radioactive results of the fusion. >> >> LENR will dramatically increase the decay rate of radioactive isotopes. >> This might be caused by the entanglement of the nucleus of the radioactive >> atom with the zone of negitive vacuum energy. The speed of time progression >> in the radio active atom might be same as the speed of time in the zone of >> negative vacuum energy. >> >> If this reaction is true, the rate of reduction of virtual particle >> production in the zone of negative vacuum energy might be proportional to >> the speed up of the rate of radioactive decay produced by LENR. >> >> In one experiment, a radioactive isotope with a half-life of 69 years >> was reduced to 6 microseconds. >> >> That is 15 orders of magnitude reduction. Most halflife reductions in >> LENR are instantaneous. Time could be moving very rapidly in the zone of >> negative vacuum energy. There looks to be a way to share that increase in >> the speedup of the rate of time with matter through the entanglement of >> matter with the zone of negative vacuum...AKA the surface plasmon-polariton >> soliton >> >> I segest this experiment with the EmDrive to verify this theory of time >> acceleration. Place a gamma emmiting isotope inside an EmDrive enclosure >> where the microwave interference is descriptive. If the rate of gamma >> production is reduced and/or the half-life of the isotope is reduced then >> the effects of negative vacuum energy on time will be verified both in the >> EmDrive and in LENR. >> >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Roarty, Francis X < >> francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: >> We don't know enough to answer the question because we don't know enough >> about the origin of the force. Even if it is relativistic as Shawyer claims >> and the spatial area occupied by the device modifies the encompassed >> inertial frames that breach the isotropy there remains a strong likelihood >> that an equal and opposite frame is created and the device is only able to >> directionalize gravity to produce thrust..NOT able to accumulate a >> buoyancy. IMHO his use of the term thrust is probably correct and that we >> won't get a bubble from microwaves in a shaped cavity. >> Fran >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 9:50 PM >> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Nextgen EM Drive's Potential seems way above >> the Theoretical Limit >> >> Hovering does not violate Newton's laws IMHO. Energy and momentum are >> conserved. >> >> Bob Cook >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <mix...@bigpond.com> >> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 6:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nextgen EM Drive's Potential seems way above the >> Theoretical Limit >> In reply to Frank Znidarsic's message of Mon, 11 May 2015 18:58:16 >> -0400: >> Hi Frank, >> [snip] >> >The video states that m drive obeys Newtow's laws. It has no reaction >> >mass. It does not obey Newton's laws. That comment was an >> understatement >> >bordering on misinformation. >> > >> > >> >Frank Z >> >> Which of Newton's laws does it violate? >> >> Does a car going down the road doesn't have reaction mass? Does it violate >> Newton's laws? >> Regards, >> >> Robin van Spaandonk >> >> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html >> >> >> > >
