Jones, I was painting with a wide brush to underscore a common basis between even these distantly related anomalies. You are certainly correct that the microwaves are NOT an efficient linkage to the active geometries used for the E-cat generator but the EM drive works in reverse and we don't care about efficiency when an "almost" inertialess drive is the prize.. I say "almost" because if waves or particles are being directed in a "relativistic" direction that they will locally still perceive their reactions as being equal and opposite. It is this relativistic balance using microwaves that I believe is responsible for the nano newtons of thrust being claimed for EM drive. In the E-cat I can't speak to the frequency but IR sounds fine -my only intent was to suggest that the energy being coupled between cat and mouse has the same isotopy breaking mechanism at it's heart as the EM drive and that COE can be broken when the square law is violated in the same way we could make a perpetual mobile if we could switch gravity on and off. In the EM drive we are paying with rf energy to saturate the interior of a trapezoidal waveguide and establish a tiny relativistic bias but with nano powders and skeletal catalysts used by Rossi and Mills this sort of environment is established via natural segregation due to geometry when gas atoms are present. In the case of radioactive gas atoms the Japanese have claimed radioactive remediation / accelerating the half life. IMHO half lives never change from the local perspective of radioactive atoms inside these environments but rather time dilation occurs where these atoms are experiencing hours of time while only seconds elapse from our macro perspective] Fran
-----Original Message----- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 8:50 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Cat stimultion Fran, Cavity QED is worth pursuing, but you may be saddling the wrong horse. There is almost no chance that the E-Cat is powered by microwaves, given how easy they would be to observe if present. If Cavity QED is involved with the E-Cat, as it probably is - the wavelengths being suppressed are in the IR range - thousands of times shorter than microwaves. The paper (slide show) worth citing for this is that of Prevenslik http://www.esdjournal.com/techpapr/prevens/flowrev.ppt http://www.esdjournal.com/techpapr/prevens/flow1.pdf "flow electrification" is much closer to LENR than is the EM drive, IMHO. -----Original Message----- From: Roarty, Francis X I maintain that Rossi's E- Cat and Shawyer's EM drive are both based on "Cavity QED". In Zofia Birula 1996 paper http://www.actaphys.uj.edu.pl/_old/vol27/pdf/v27p2409.pdf she describes Rydberg atoms with modified spontaneous emissions by virtue of microwave cavity suppression. In the interim since her paper was published we have seen Japanese patents for radioactive remediation based on nano powders that employ this principle. WRT shawyer her paper states [snip] In a good cavity with dimensions of the order of the wavelength of emitted radiation, a very strong enhancement of spontaneous emissions is possible [/snip] Her math for these effects include Lorentzian formulations that underscore a relativistic perspective [Jan Naudt's 2005 paper on the hydrino as relativistic hydrogen] where hydrogen atoms entering nano scale cavities grow smaller from our perspective - through interactions between local and global energy scales in opposition. IOW nano mirror boundaries can segregate vacuum wavelengths in tiny cavities that conflict with the macro isotropy..not that this represents an an energy source or drive system in itself as it will react symmetrically to propagation of waves or particles passing through the cavity but it is the common engine block being employed in all these anomalous claims.. it can be a motor or a generator depending on how we employ it. In the case of the cat and mouse I suspect the breach in isotropy also allows for a breach in COE that we would never see at our macro scale where we have to "pay" to move a macro object into and out of a gravity well but at the nano scale we harness HUP to migrate gas atoms through a tapestry of different gravitational warps [negative gravity/vacuum densities based on mirror separation]. Imagine how easy a perpetual motion machine would be to make if you could turn off gravity for a half cycle while lifting a weight. I am not saying that we are getting something for nothing but rather that nano geometry can harness HUP to move the atom between different zones [no need for a spatial bias like Maxwellian demon only criteria becomes random motion]then it is left to us to somehow exploit this motion.. force an asymmetry between zones that generates heat but here everyone has their own pet theories. Fran
