Tut Tut Ed... The problem is that you believe everyone thinks rationally and quasi-legally like you do. Most don't.

And as for: "A sane person does not try to murder his neighbor because he thinks she is a slut. On the other hand, if, for example, the neighbor takes all the water, treats you like dirt, and kills your friends, you might think of murder."

You haven't heard of honour killings? More often than not they murder their own offspring for that very reason. So we're talking certain levels of sanity here.

And what if I deserve to be treated like dirt because... well... perhaps I am dirt? Have you never experienced neighbours like that? Some people just can't get their heads around quantum physics, so they resort to... mayhem. And as dirt often associates with dirt... well you get the picture...

And the water?  Well why does dirt (me, remember?) care so much about water?

P.




At 03:21 PM 8/14/2006 -0600, you wrote:


I don't believe they hate our freedom and our good life as we are encouraged to believe.

They say they do! Have you read bin Laden speeches? You can see what he has to say in books such as, "Imperial Hubris." He is the most popular man in the Muslim world and millions of people have named their sons after him and, so I think many people agree with him. I think they are misguided. Millions of Japanese people agreed with the militarists too. No doubt the majority of the country did, even though it was pretty obvious after 1938 that they were dragging the nation into Hell.

I think this conclusion is too simplistic. What they hate are certain behaviors that are permitted by our society and our attitude toward sex. Some Christians in the US have a similar problem with these subjects, although they would not suggest the same solution. However, I don't believe these reasons are the main driving force for the movement. A sane person does not try to murder his neighbor because he thinks she is a slut. On the other hand, if, for example, the neighbor takes all the water, treats you like dirt, and kills your friends, you might think of murder.

Ed

Of course it could. If the US had launched a massive World War II style effort to fix the problem starting in 2001, oil would be worth practically nothing today.


Yes, and if the government gave everyone 1 million dollars, we would all be rich. But like this silly example, such things will not be done and if they were, other worse consequences would result.

Such things were done in the past when the nation was in crisis. If FDR or Lincoln were in charge, this and much more would be done now. I mean immediately, within a week. They would impose a five dollar emergency wartime gasoline tax, draft a million men & women to fight the war in Afghanistan (which we are losing), and ban the use of SUVs. If this is really a war, as the leaders claim, it is their responsibility to do such things. Wars are never won by half-measures. The nation would follow I am sure. As Lincoln put it: "Will not the good people respond to a united, and earnest appeal from us? Can we, can they, by any other means, so certainly, or so speedily, assure these vital objects? We can succeed only by concert. It is not 'can any of us imagine better?' but, 'can we all do better?' The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise -- with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country. Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history. We of this Congress and this administration, will be remembered in spite of ourselves. No personal significance, or insignificance, can spare one or another of us. . . . We know how to save the Union. The world knows we do know how to save it. We -- even we here -- hold the power, and bear the responsibility. . . ."
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/congress.htm
All of that applies as much to the energy/terror crisis today as it did to the crisis of slavery in December 1862. Then and now, we know what must be done. We need only summon up the will to *do* it. And we may yet take action. Don't bet against it! You should never sell the United States or its people short. The Japanese did in 1941 and look where it got them. Probably more than any other people on earth, we are capable of doing extraordinary deeds in a short time. As Edward Grey put it, the United States is like "a gigantic boiler. Once the fire is lighted under it there is no limit to the power it can generate." The only thing we lack are leaders with guts & vision. Leaders who are not afraid to demand sacrifices from everyone, not just army volunteers. In the past, such people have often stepped forth when they were needed. But it has always been a close call. Lincoln nearly lost the election and FDR had great difficulty securing the nomination. The people next in line who would have won if they had lost would have led the nation into oblivion.
- Jed



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