Hi Jones, While there's lots of stuff on the internet about M. Nègre and his compressed air car I don't seem to be able to find any reference to the phenomenon you describe. Any links? While I've never met Ratan Tata, I deal with a couple of his business associates in India and they assure me that he is a no bullshit guy, and something of a visionary to boot. So you have to take it very seriously if he's backing this car.
One thing I didn't see in the specs for the car is the potential for regenerative braking that would be far more efficient than for an electric car or a hybrid gasoline car. M. --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Vo]:Double phase-change > To: "vortex" <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:12 PM > It is arguable that the "virtual"explosion (shock > wave) in the Negre compressed air engine of the Tata > operates gainfully to somehow cohere ZPE ! > > Robin has mentioned that the engine gets extra energy > from ambient, which is almost the same thing, in one > POV- but I think there is more than just additional > ambient heat being used - and that this could be the > first commercial instance of ZPE utilization. Time > will tell, if the car really does ship next month. > > Reports are that the proper operation of the engine > demands high enough air pressure to immediately > phase-change the air first to liquid-air and then > immediately back again in milliseconds. Without the > advantage of a shock wave, the torque available would > be minimal. > > On cold days, the car will not start without > preheating the air, which indicates that the double > phase-change has a narrow range. There is a small > gasoline tank for this purpose in the European model, > but not the one for India. > > And without the double phase-change, with a sequential > timing that must be immediate (perhaps a few > milliseconds at TDC of the engine cycle), there is > probably no advantage to this complex system over > simple expansion of a gas through a turbine - and it > would not be marketable otherwise. > > After all, the energy content of the compressed gas > "appears" to be WAAAAAY too small for the power > produced (which is now apparently proved beyond any > doubt to be available to the chagrin of experts). The > excellent mileage, with a few dollars worth of grid > power, is almost a modern day miracle, no? > > This double phase-change could be the entry point for > ZPE or Casimir forces since it operates at a molecular > geometry. > > However, it is probably a good thing that this is NOT > mentioned yet or broadcast to the world, for any > number of reasons. It may actually be too > transformative and disruptive of a technology for the > economic status-quo forces to deal with, if fully > appreciated in certain boardrooms. > > Let the performance of the vehicle itself "do the > talking" as the young company struggles for market > share, but without unneeded hype about the end of the > oil era. Tata is at the critical point where the > trillion dollar "war chest" of OPEC could be > silently > focused to crush their nascent efforts. One suicide > bomber now - and the entire effort is ... well... that > would be a larger shock wave and then TaTa, Tata. > > Jones
