Tata of India is owned by people that have made a lot of money and have the
Indian Gov't behind them. That's not enough.Their business model obviously
needs some work. Jaguar and Land Rover does not a business model make.
Showing beats telling.. Going up against Toyota may be a bridge too far..
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "vortex" <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Double phase-change
--- Michael
My comments about double phase-change and ZPE are a
secondary interpretation of "filtered" information
which is available online, not from only the company
but mostly accumulated from blogs and other
commentators; therefore it is unlikely that anyone
will find an authoritative reference for that same
conclusion... or should I say "more authoritative" ;-)
In fact, as mentioned, there is reason to believe that
the company (not Tata but MDI six months to a year
ago) has been complicit is spreading at least some
disinformation- probably for competitive reasons.
I am glad to hear your impression about Tata - since
at first they did seem to be a little flakey in their
public moves. The big question is - will they really
ship in August (in India at least)?
I mean why would any sane outfit want to buy Jaguar
and Land Rover, which are pretty much damaged goods,
despite their former glory days? Maybe they anticipate
using the good-name and reputation eventually, more so
than the present day products, which never seem to
fare very well in comparison with other autos in their
elevated price range. Buying a top name like Jaguar
does make some sense for future exports. Tata could
also use some help with styling and design that Jag
can provide.
If the Indian economy catches fire like in China, they
might actually have a greater number of affluent
buyers there in say 2020, than does the UK (but far
less as a percentage of total population).
Hi Jones,
While there's lots of stuff on the internet about M.
Nègre and his compressed air car I don't seem to be
able to find any reference to the phenomenon you
describe. Any links? While I've never met Ratan
Tata, I deal with a couple of his business
associates in India and they assure me that he is a
no bullshit guy, and something of a visionary to
boot. So you have to take it very seriously if he's
backing this car.
One thing I didn't see in the specs for the car is
the potential for regenerative braking that would be
far more efficient than for an electric car or a
hybrid gasoline car.
M.
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Jones Beene
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Vo]:Double phase-change
> To: "vortex" <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:12 PM
> It is arguable that the "virtual"explosion (shock
> wave) in the Negre compressed air engine of the
Tata
> operates gainfully to somehow cohere ZPE !
>
> Robin has mentioned that the engine gets extra
energy
> from ambient, which is almost the same thing, in
one
> POV- but I think there is more than just
additional
> ambient heat being used - and that this could be
the
> first commercial instance of ZPE utilization. Time
> will tell, if the car really does ship next month.
>
> Reports are that the proper operation of the
engine
> demands high enough air pressure to immediately
> phase-change the air first to liquid-air and then
> immediately back again in milliseconds. Without
the
> advantage of a shock wave, the torque available
would
> be minimal.
>
> On cold days, the car will not start without
> preheating the air, which indicates that the
double
> phase-change has a narrow range. There is a small
> gasoline tank for this purpose in the European
model,
> but not the one for India.
>
> And without the double phase-change, with a
sequential
> timing that must be immediate (perhaps a few
> milliseconds at TDC of the engine cycle), there is
> probably no advantage to this complex system over
> simple expansion of a gas through a turbine - and
it
> would not be marketable otherwise.
>
> After all, the energy content of the compressed
gas
> "appears" to be WAAAAAY too small for the power
> produced (which is now apparently proved beyond
any
> doubt to be available to the chagrin of experts).
The
> excellent mileage, with a few dollars worth of
grid
> power, is almost a modern day miracle, no?
>
> This double phase-change could be the entry point
for
> ZPE or Casimir forces since it operates at a
molecular
> geometry.
>
> However, it is probably a good thing that this is
NOT
> mentioned yet or broadcast to the world, for any
> number of reasons. It may actually be too
> transformative and disruptive of a technology for
the
> economic status-quo forces to deal with, if fully
> appreciated in certain boardrooms.
>
> Let the performance of the vehicle itself "do the
> talking" as the young company struggles for market
> share, but without unneeded hype about the end of
the
> oil era. Tata is at the critical point where the
> trillion dollar "war chest" of OPEC could be
> silently
> focused to crush their nascent efforts. One
suicide
> bomber now - and the entire effort is ... well...
that
> would be a larger shock wave and then TaTa, Tata.
>
> Jones
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