Apologies for the "shouting" in this post!
Rick wrote:
<<The skeptics point to those three things because those things correctly
expose the serious problems AGW has - a lack of evidence for CO2 as a cause
for warming.>>
There is tons of evidence for CO2 as a (but not the only) cause for
warming. The basic theory and experimental evidence goes back over 100
years.
Rick - did you miss that it was Lindzen, the most credible scientist of the
delayer/denier lobby saying that there HAS been, and WILL be further,
warming and that WE ARE partially responsible for it because of our fossil
fuel emissions. HE REALLY SAYS THIS and it is easy to check up because he
has been saying much the same thing since the 90's. Because of this, the
vast majority of the delayer/denier propaganda can be ignored as mutually
contradictory stories made up to deceive people who don't check up the
stories they are fed or are too willing to believe what they want to
believe. It really seems as if Americans have a much larger per centage of
their population who are vulnerable to this professional lying than
elsewhere in the world.
Here is another example of Lindzen's position
http://outside.away.com/outside/culture/200710/richard-lindzen-1.html
"Lindzen doesn't dispute that the planet has warmed up in the past three
decades, but he argues that human-generated CO2 accounts for no more than 30
percent of this temperature rise. Much of the warming, he says, stems from
fluctuations in temperature that have occurred for millions of
years-explained by complicated natural changes in equilibrium between the
oceans and the atmosphere-and the latest period of warming will not result
in catastrophe."
and also
http://www.discussglobalwarming.com/blog/2007/04/09/global-warming-crisis-not-based-in-science-lindzen-speaks-out/
"He doesn't dispute that global warming is happening: There has been a net
warming of the earth over the last century and a half, and our greenhouse
gas emissions are contributing at some level. Both of these statements are
almost certainly true. What of it? "
The most serious scientist that the delayer lobby has got admits that global
warming IS happening and that humans ARE responsible for some of it because
of our emissions of fossil fuels. He further acknowledges that continuing to
increase CO2 levels WILL cause further warming. His only real difference is
that he thinks the warming will be a lot less than the IPCC forecasts and
that the bad effects will be much less. Having read that, and hopefully
having checked it out for yourself, you simply cannot keep stating what you
have said previously and retain any credibility.
<<(psst...again, want to bet it's the sun?)>>
Err, no. The irradiance of the Sun has been comprehensively measured and at
most 20% of the measured warming is down to this source.
Try looking at this comprehensive rebuttal of some of the myths and false
logic purveyed by the deniers and delayers
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
