As far as I know, Stanley Meyer sincerely believed that his devices could > make energy from plain water. >
How the heck does one flummox oneself into that conclusion? How long would it take to test conclusively a purported device said to do that? A minute? Less -- it would never be able to start! I won't argue that the guy could not have been a nut case but he also took money and that suggests fraud. You claimed that "Allan's more serious problem is that he supports obvious > and less obvious scams and he actively solicits money for them by asking > people to contribute." Which of these things you listed are scams, and > which did Allan "actively > solicit money" for? > I'm not going to play that time-wasting game with you very much but maybe just once a little. Feel free to read the woowoo yourself and see which ones you attribute to fraud and scams and which ones you think are simply stupid or crazy and which ones Allan promotes. Or perhaps you really think Obama went to Mars. Allan promotes most of the stuff on his web pages simply by stating the claims as if they were facts -- a disgusting, revolting deceptive style that characterizes everything those guys write. With just a moment of thought, I can remember some of the most prominent recent scams promoted by Allan on his site. One of these is, of course, Steorn. And then there is the related and hilarious episode in which Sterling Allan was led by the nose all over the country by a comedian calling himself "Mylow". Mylow claimed to have a self-running magnetic free energy motor and showed some semi-convincing video. He had Allan fly or drive hundreds or thousands of miles only to avoid meeting him by claiming illness or problems with his family! Allan even accompanied the guy to Howard Johnson's grave (the self styled inventor not the restaurant person) for a pilgrimage! Of course, Mylow never showed Allan his device. It was rib breakingly funny and went on for weeks until someone did a really amazing enhancement and analysis of several of the videos and located both the fish line and the motor Mylow used to fake the self running device! That was comedy and not a scam but old Allan went for it hook line and sinker like he does for just about everything. Another escapade was Carl Tilley with his no-need-to-charge electric DeLorean that ran on magnet power. That one wasn't funny even though the car was a fox. With plenty of public exposure from Allan, Tilley ripped off a half million dollars or more from poor Tennessee farmers who couldn't afford it. Allan did finally turn on Tilley but that was about the time Tilley became a convicted felon for the fraud and ran out of state. The other story that comes easily to mind is that of Dennis Lee and Jeff Otto. You can google Lee for his past free energy scams and misdeeds and he also is a convicted felon for fraud. Allan and his site promoted these guys' idiotic idea of using a car's battery to electrolyze water and then burn the hydrogen in the car. Of course, that can't work because it takes more energy to electrolyze the water than burning the hydrogen in an ICE can return. But push it they did until finally they were busted by the SEC for a variety of different fraudulent activities and claims for which they actually ripped off people. I offered them $100K on the spot for any car that could do what they said (basically a full size Honda Accord that was claimed to have averaged more than 100 mpg on an EPA loop). Of course, they never produced a car because I insisted on proper dynamometer testing. Anyway, they had other worries. The FBI was shutting them down. I think Otto is still reverberating around. I could probably still find some trap for the gullible type of web site he runs, selling the same old crap under different names. And as a scam, the concept marches on virtually unscathed all over the internet. Millions and millions of dollars are being wasted on it every year. Sterling still publishes "HHO" and Brown's Gas stories. Although the stoichiometric mix of hydrogen and oxygen is quite ordinary and has none of the special "powers" Allan and his authors attribute to it, it is highly explosive and extremely dangerous, a feature rarely mentioned by the promoters. Three people trying to commercialize "Brown's Gas" recently were killed in a northern suburb of Los Angeles when the mixture exploded, burning down the building and taking off its roof. The kind of stupidity promoted by Allan is dangerous as well as wasteful. The above describes the cut of client that Sterling Allan has promoted and given free advertising space to on his web site for decades. Craig Brown (AKA 007, News Editor and Free Energy Truth) is more focused on specific claims but his record is even worse. Someone responded to one of these message string that they found a technology that worked on Allan's site. I doubt anyone can claim the same for Brown's. Plus the guy is pure poison on forums where he liberally spreads entirely gratuitous and very obscene insults directed at anyone who disagrees with him -- not sarcasm but straight name calling and obscenities. He is also the guy who posted the erroneous announcement that National Instruments was the client for Rossi's megawatt plant. Now if you don't mind, I leave you to do your own research about these guys. It's very easy. Just read the dumb sites -- particularly the link I suggested before but really, you can just start anywhere. Go ahead. Decide for yourself which are scams and which are just staggeringly incredible stupidity and which are both.
