Perhaps the energy is stored in the field? http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/engfie.html
As an example, an ignition coil (a step-up transformer) on a car is energized with 12V, and draws a steady current, which generates a magnetic field around the coil. When the current is interrupted, the field collapses and induces a voltage in the secondary coil in proportion to the number of windings between the primary and secondary coils. If one looks at the mag-field as the 'spring', the current flow causes a 'stretching of the spring' (i.e. the field, as revealed using iron filings), which springs back (field collapses) when the current is interrupted. I would also posit that the mag-field is a polarization of the vacuum, which takes energy (current flow) to maintain, and which will go back to randomness (no field) when that energy is stopped... -Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jouni Valkonen [mailto:jounivalko...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:46 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:18 PM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote: > OK since no arithmetic seems plausible, what about actually obtaining the device in question and running the obvious test: Let it run for a very very long time? > Easy test would be to construct three identical perpetual motion machines and then run one in sauna at 60C temperature, other at room temperature and the third in freezer at -18C. If there is difference in duration how long the motion will last, then it would show clearly that it is indeed perpetual motion machine. Of course this kind of test is only necessary if you do not believe theoretical a priori argument that magnets do not store potential energy, but magnetism is just matter of information. \Jouni