Jack, that is just about right. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Jack Cole <jcol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Dave, > > You wrote: > Chuck, have you given consideration to some process that might treat the > CuB2O3 or NiB2O3 differently so that the copper might be taken away from > the nickel surface selectively? It might be possible to selectively erode > the copper leaving NAE in large quantities. > > I think you can get this with the oxidization process with using a nickel > as the anode with DC for a couple of hours to form the green oxidized > copper. The green oxidized copper can then be burned off with a torch. > > My approach has been to first use the nicked as an anode for 1 to 2 hours. > Burn off the oxidized copper with a torch. Then slow treat with hydrogen > as the cathode and low current DC for a few days. Then switch to AC. > > With respect to the B2O3, I've found that most of this will burn off. But > I have some that simply melted into a transparent clear blob adhering to > some of the surfaces of the nickels. > > Take care, > Jack > > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:10 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>wrote: > >> Thanks Chuck, the experimentation has been going on now for a couple of >> days and I did notice unusual behavior that I was not expecting. I >> performed a small experiment using AC with new nickels that had not been >> undergoing electrolysis at any time and saw that they did not show any of >> the green coating that was so evident with DC. Instead, there was a jet >> black coating being formed upon the nickels. Then, I applied DC to my cell >> and a green coating began to form over top of the previous black coating >> upon the nickel connected to the positive terminal. I allowed this process >> to continue for a few hours and then scraped off the net coating to get a >> orange copperish looking finish where the old coatings were. This finish >> has a rough appearance. >> >> So far the bottom line is that AC drive behaves far differently than DC >> drive in this system. I can definitely see boiling electrolyte >> temperatures between the two nickels with AC drive while far fewer bubbles >> of gas are released by the active mechanisms as compared to DC drive. With >> AC, the effective resistance of the combination remains much lower than >> with DC current. The high resistance appears to correspond with the >> deposition of the green coating that follows DC current flow. >> >> My present transformer will not allow me to achieve the 100-140 volt >> drive levels so that would have to be achieved by some other means. I have >> a few ideas regarding the use of an adjustable transformer, but that would >> be difficult to handle. I do not feel comfortable with direct connection >> by metallic path to the AC mains. It would be too easy to become >> electrocuted with one careless maneuver. >> >> My AC RMS voltage is 21 volts for these tests so the resistance must >> remain less than 10 ohms between the terminals if I am to drive the system >> with 2 amps of current. I am able to achieve this goal without too much >> difficulty when the green coating is absent. I need to perform more >> experimentation with this combination. >> >> The salts you suspect are interesting. Do you suspect that the normal >> oxides of the nickel and copper are suppressed? Also, I am not aware of >> any visual change to the surface of the nickel if hydrogen has entered. >> Would anyone expect a color change or other indication when this happens? >> >> I would love to see the glow that Horace mentions and perhaps that day >> will come when I figure a good way to drive the cell in a safe manner. It >> is apparent that I will need to pre-charge the nickels before applying the >> full voltage unless I want to melt my experiment. If I used my typical >> resistance of 10 ohms and set the input AC to 100 volts RMS, I would >> generate 1000 watts of power at a current of 10 amps. >> >> I wonder if the sparks I saw with the sodium carbonate were somehow >> related to the glow mentioned by Horace. My results were correlated with >> the open circuit voltage rising toward 50 volts as it attempted to maintain >> the current at a constant level. The sparks suggest to me some form of >> burning mechanism and I got a large dose of the vapor by accident once when >> watching the phenomena too closely. It was a strong odor that I hope is >> not carcinogenic. The smoke I breathed was definitely not water vapor. >> >> Chuck, have you given consideration to some process that might treat >> the CuB2O3 or NiB2O3 differently so that the copper might be taken away >> from the nickel surface selectively? It might be possible to selectively >> erode the copper leaving NAE in large quantities. >> >> Dave >> >> P.S. AC in my posting is standard line frequency in the US which is 60 >> hertz. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chuck Sites <cbsit...@gmail.com> >> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:02 pm >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started >> >> Good Luck with the new experiments David. I think you will see some >> interesting effects. Regarding the sparks and light flashes, I ran across >> a paper that describes an spark effect, but it was seen in the 100-140Volt >> range. Horace Heffner describes it in his paper; >> >> http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/GlowExper.pdf >> >> It could be that the local electric potential is large enough that the >> sparkle effect happens. >> >> Anyway, with the AC, do try the DC pre-charging. If there is a true >> LENR effect, I would think this is one of the better ways of see it. The >> pre-charging might allow coating of the cupronickel with B2O3 which Mile's >> hints was one method of rapid LENR in his youtube video. In addition, as >> Storm's has suggested, you might pre-fill the lattice dislocations. Once >> the AC begins, hopefully you will see a robust heating effect. With AC, >> you should see the Na2[B4O5(OH)4] oscillating back and forth, and swarms >> of H+ push through the Cu-Ni B4O5(OH)4 surface. I found some old notes, >> that indicated in DC, the green salts could be CuB2O3 and darker salts as >> NiB2O3. See if you can spot a glow too. Maybe it's Cherenkov radiation. >> >> >> Anyway, Have fun. It's been interesting to see how much >> more bizarre this little experiment gets. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>wrote: >> >>> It is time for a change in my experimentation. I spent a lot of time >>> and energy with the sodium carbonate electrolyte and DC current without >>> being able to report any proven excess power. There is evidence that the >>> Borax electrolyte might lead to more definitive results so that is what I >>> began using again today. Earlier I started using Borax after finding that >>> table salt was a terribly corrosive material. I used the Borax for several >>> days as it slowly ate away at my positively connected electrodes before I >>> decided to go to the sodium carbonate. I stuck with the sodium carbonate >>> for so long since I was mainly concerned about the hydrogen loading of the >>> cathode which should have been similar with either electrolyte. >>> >>> Today, I rewound a transformer to yield 21 volts AC RMS. This is an >>> ideal way to drive the system with AC since the transformer automatically >>> isolates it from the AC mains and leads to a safe experiment. I am using >>> 21 volts because that is all I obtained with the transformer core with >>> which I started when I placed as many turns as possible (36) in the >>> secondary slot with the wire size that was convenient. I was worried that >>> this might not be enough voltage, but found that I could still drive the >>> cell with between 1 and 2 amps RMS depending upon the spacing between the >>> electrodes. >>> >>> The joule losses within the transformer are quite low and it is in no >>> danger of overheating. The cell is receiving around 40 watts of power >>> which is within reason. I am using a Pyrex dish for my cell, the same one >>> that I have been using for several days. It is open and wide so the cell >>> temperature is fairly low due to large heat loss. I am curious as to >>> whether or not I get the strange sparks that seemed so prevalent with my >>> earlier DC system. I have noticed that there is a lot less gas being >>> released at the electrodes due to the AC drive current. >>> >>> The AC drive current does not appear to cause the green deposits that >>> were so evident with the DC current. I initially allowed the green mess to >>> be plated upon one of the test nickels attached to the positive DC supply >>> connection. After a period of time the green material was shaken off and a >>> dark deposit replaced it as the current increased. I do not know what >>> material is plating that nickel, but it allows for good conductivity. I >>> placed my old reliable nickel on the other electrode for the AC testing. >>> The poor nickel has been undergoing electrolysis for many days, has been >>> heated red hot and quenched 5 times, has been soaked in a mild acid for a >>> couple of days, and then sanded to roughen its surface. I am not sure what >>> else I can do to make it more miserable! >>> >>> Dave >>> >> >> >
