Stop the off-topic posts and I will go away never to post here again, but I will read. I am sacrificing my participation, my chance to ask questions if the chronic off-topic violators would simply stop their abuses. JUST DO IT.
Clearly you understood Bill's no off-topic rule cause you quoted parts of it here and still claim that I am lying about it. You are such a blatant liar. I'm not surprised.
Jojo----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <a...@lomaxdesign.com>
To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>; <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age
Frequently. That is, this is how a troll justifies his behavior to himself, and attempts to so justify it to others. And I've seen this from trolls who very openly admitted being trolls. They believe that they are serving a greater good. And I've trolled, and actually accomplished what I set out to do, on Wikipedia. There was a certain abusive administrator. He banned me from cold fusion, unilaterally. I took him before the Arbitation Committee. During the case, he claied that his ban was still in effect. Now, generally, I respected administrative decisions, and did not violate them, instead following due process, which can take months, even for a minor matter, sometimes. I decided the time was right for direct action. I announced that I had no more intention to honor his ban. This was on a Talk page presumably seen by Arbitrators and many administrators, in direct response to his boast that I was still banned and he could prove it.Essentially, I invited him to prove it, by deciding to ignore the ban and give him the opportunity. I waited until a simple question was asked on the Cold fusion talk page, and I knew a clear answer. It wasn't a controversial edit, and the only thing *wrong* with it was that he'd banned me. It took me a couple of minutes. I went to bed. When I woke up in the morning, all hell had broken loose. I'd been blocked by him, and my edit had been reverted. An arbitrator had unblocked, restored my edit, and the Arbitration Committee was considering an immediate revocation of his administrative privileges. They didn't -- he was very popular -- but, in the end, they did revoke the privileges when the decision was issued. He'd gone over the edge, blocking a participant in a case involving him. They could not ignore that, it would have been way too obvious.They also wanted to get rid of me, that became obvious later, when their private mailing list was hacked. I made them *very* uncomfortable, I was *not one of them* -- they are all administrators, and, while I almost was made an admin on Wikipedia, I was quite new then. Later, it would have been completely impossible, by that time the "cabal" knew what I was up to and they can easily torpedo any candidacy that they don't like. It's part of the problem with Wikipedia process.But I didn't consider my own right to edit to be important. I was far more concerned about a biased admin who would cheerfully block people because they disagreed with him. This is an irony here. That administrator was a climate scientist, and was famous as abusive. People had complained about him for years, but every attempt to sanction him was blocked by the cabal. A discussion would start, they would pour in with enough comments rejecting the complaint that the discussion would show "no consensus," and they would then claim vindication. Nope. Any sane judgment would have shown there was a serious problem.Adminstrators had resiged in disgust over what this guy had done. I fixed it, with an edit trolling to be blocked, took a couple of minutes. It was probably the most efficient thing I ever did on Wikipedia. And eventually I handled a lot of situations, but, eventually, the Wikipedia problem was not ultimately addressed, and what had long been expected came to pass, I was "community banned." That's what they do when the Arbitration Committee won't do it. All it takes is a handful of editors showing up on an obscure page, mostly not watched by the general community, and it's done.Theoretically, you can appeal to the Arbitration Committee, but the politics are such that the Arbitration Committee will bail. It will reject the case, refusing to "second guess" the Community. Really, more than half of the Committee is sympathetic to the abusive administrators, but they can't let that be seen. It would look bad!I am willing to sacrifice my participation here, which I find useful especially for my Carbon Nanotube research, for the greater good of more signal and less noise in this forum. If you ask me, Lomax and the other chronic off-topic posters are the real trolls cause they insist on doing it their way or ban those who disagree or don't like their off-topic trolling like me. Their solution is a "gang" solution. Do it our way or we will insult you or better still, we will ban you. It's fortunate that Bill appears to be more reasonable and more objective than these gang of bullies.Actually, what it looks like is Bill is paying no attention.If Bill changes the rules, I will follow. But in the meantime, people should follow his rules and not "make it up as we go" - as famously said by one chronic off-topic poster here.JojoSo, what are the rules? I don't know if they have been changed, but below is what I was sent. There *are* rules that could easily be applied to this situation. Some of the rules were obviously written long ago, because behind some of the rules are conditions that used to apply, that hardly ever apply any more. "Off-topic" isn't a rule, per se. What is there related to that is3. Small email files please. The limit is set to 40K right now, those exceeding the limit will be forwarded to Bill Beaty. If you wish to start extremely off-topic discussions, please feel free to exchange initial messages on vortex-L, but MOVE THE DISCUSSION TO PRIVATE MAIL IMMEDIATELY. Some members are on limited service, or have to pay for received email. Diagrams and graphics can be mailed to me and posted on a webpages for temporary viewing.In other words, "starting extremely off-topic discussions" is specifically allowed, but the instruction is to "move these to private email immediately." That does not resolve a certain problem, where a poster has posted something to the list which is broadly offensive. It assumes what is really a private discussion that merely starts here.I'm not "discussing" with Jojo, not any more. I responding to his egregiously offensive claims here that attack all Muslims and what they believe, that attack the President of the United States, that attack almost the entire community of climate scientists, and that personally attack and deliberately insult anyone who dares to disagree with him, including many long-term participants on this list, such as Jed Rothwell.He's acknowledged it, even today. This is what he does. He escalates.I have *not* started these off-topic threads, generally. 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