Your opinion has certainly been noted by Bill. Quite obviously, I'm still here
cause Bill saw nothing that I have done to deserve banning. But if I am
banned, it's no great lost for me; so recommend away. LOL....
BTW Jouni, I consider this a personal attack, and this is the 2nd of such
attack. Your first attack was an insult by calling me a girl although my
gender has clearly been established here in Vortex-L. Now you are calling me
a troll. I am letting this 2nd attack as well as your first attack slide.
Please do not continue this behavior unless you want a retaliation.
Jojo
PS. This is Jouni's 2nd attack against me. Note that thus far, I have NOT
attacked Jouni or insulted her in any way. I never start attacks or insults,
but I will eventually respond to it. Please refrain from such attacks
PS. I consider labels such as "troll" a grave insult. Let that be clear to
everyone lest Lomax will claim that it is a "mild" insult. Being a liar
justified by his religion, he would begin building a fallacious history of this
event again.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jouni Valkonen
To: William Beaty
Cc: Jed Rothwell ; Abd ul-Rahman Lomax ; Jojo Jaro
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: Fwd: [Vo]:Digital information storage in DNA
Hello,
There has been some recent discussion about continuous trolling by Jojo. I
would highly recommend banning him/her. This message has not much else content
expect insulting the original author indirectly and political trolling. As Jojo
proudly admits his/her off-topic/political trolling and he/she is not going to
end it, I would recommend banning him/her.
Thanks in advance,
—Jouni
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jojo Jaro
Date: Thursday, 27 December 2012
Subject: [Vo]:Digital information storage in DNA
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Yes, digital information is indeed present in DNA.
One has to wonder how it got there. Natural Selection can not explain how
random process can originate information; let alone exabytes of information
present in DNA in its natural state.
But, of course, Darwinian Evolutionist are right because there's 2000 of them
and nobody has heard on one of them being threatened or bribed.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:32 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Digital information storage in DNA
Not quite as off topic as you might think. I am looking into this as part
of an essay about the history of cold fusion I am writing. Anyway, see:
http://arep.med.harvard.edu/pdf/Church_Science_12.pdf
This prof. at Harvard, George Church, has been experimenting with recording
data in DNA. He recorded his own book and then read it back, with only a few
errors. He reproduced it 30 million times, making it "the biggest best seller
in history" in a sense.
Quote: "DNA storage is very dense. At theoretical maximum, DNA can encode
two bits per nucleotide (nt) or 455 exabytes per gram of ssDNA . . ."
I'd like to confirm I have the units right here --
Present world data storage is variously estimated between 295 exabytes in
2011 to 2,700 exabytes today (2.7 zettabytes). See:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12419672 (295 exabytes)
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23177411#.UNt2eSZGJ5Q (2.7 ZB)
I don't know what source to believe.
This takes a colossal number of hard disks and a great deal of electricity.
On NHK they estimated the number of bytes of data now exceeds the number of
grains of sand on all the beaches of the world. Assume it is 2.7 ZB. That seems
like a large number until you realize that you could record all of this data in
6 grams of DNA.
That demonstrates how much our technology may improve in the future. We
have a lot of leeway. There is still "plenty of room at the bottom" as Feynman
put it.
DNA preserves data far better than any human technology. It can also copy
it faster and more accurately by far. I mean by many orders of magnitude.
It might be difficult to make a rapid, on-line electronic interface to DNA
recorded data, similar to today's hard disk. But as a back up medium, or
long-term storage, it seems promising. As Prof. Church demonstrates, this
technology may come about as a spin off from genome-reading technology. Perhaps
there are other 3-dimensional molecular methods of data storage. Maybe, but I
would say why bother looking for them when nature has already found such a
robust system?
- Jed
