On May 29, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
There are two ways to form a NAE: fixed of dynamic. If a fixed NAE
cannot exist at 2000C, then the NAE must be dynamic
First of all, 2000° is above the melting point of Ni and stainless
steel. Once either melted, the reaction would stop regardless of your
conclusion. Second, why do you think the NAE is not stable at the
temperatures used by Rossi?
Ed Storms
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Edmund Storms
<stor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On May 29, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
Fixed NAE theory cannot explain the Cause of the meltdown of the
Rossi reactor. Ed seems to ignore this clue.
I ignore the clue because I do not think it is a clue.
Only dynamic NAE creation can explain this meltdown process.
Again, you say this with certainty. Please show why you are so sure.
Ed Storms
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Why else would Rossi say that the output of his control box was a
trade secret?
A DC feed of a internal heater is not a trade secret.
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Arnaud Kodeck <arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be
> wrote:
Axil,
I doubt that the actual design of the eCat is able to bring CB
range signal from electrical heating system. Or where else ?
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:08
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
EMF simulation in the CB range will form nanoparticles (aka
clusters). Potassium is the best candidate for the formation of
dynamic NAE through nanoparticle formation when stimulated by EMF.
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Arnaud Kodeck <arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be
> wrote:
Ed,
I think you forget to add the EM stimulation controlled by the
black box between wall socket and the eCat.
Arnaud
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 21:53
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds the powder to the wall,
only that this must be done. A secret sauce is applied before the
Ni is placed in the e-Cat in order to create the NAE. You need to
identify how many additional secret sauces you think are involved.
He also places a hydride in the tube to supply hydrogen. This
material also might have an effect. I suggest speculation about
things we have no way of knowing is not productive. Let's discuss
what is real and required by nature for the observed effect to be
produced.
We know Rossi activates the Ni before it is used, i.e. creates the
NAE.
We know this powder must make good thermal contact with the wall.
We know that Ni powder sinters at the temperature being produced.
We know that the NAE is stable at these temperatures.
We know that the generated power increases with increased
temperature. Therefore, a positive feedback is operating.
We know that Rossi attempts to control this feedback by controlling
the temperature.
We know that the power source responds rapidly to the external
temperature. Therefore, good thermal contact exists between the
source and the thermal sink.
We can suspect that no additional source of energy or stimulation
is applied to the power source other than temperature.
These are the only facts I can identify. Did I miss anything?
Ed Storms
On May 29, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
Ed,
you make a good case that something improves the thermal bond of
the powder to the inner walls.. perhaps the function of the secret
sauce.. I don’t recall the volume of the powder used but am under
the impression it fills most of the reactor tube and therefore must
also have good thermal bond through it’s own bulk to reach the
reactor walls. I think the MAHG was a weak easily compromised
cousin to this device with only a thin sputtered layer on the inner
wall of the tube while Rossi has designed a way to stack NAE out
into a bulk form away from the reactor wall. I gathered from the
thread that very little powder spilled out when they cut it open
after destruction… so would assume the bonding held the powder
inside as a foam or gelatinous solid? Can we assume the secret
sauce must bind the powder into some form of solid. I am leaning
toward an open foam like malted milk balls but a recent thread also
suggested a gelatinous colloid.
Fran
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:43 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Bob, this is a good analysis of a possible design. You are right,
the powder must make good thermal contact with the wall for the
nuclear reaction to be controlled by temperature. Just how Rossi
makes this happen is unknown. Nevertheless, most of the active
nickel must be attached to the inner wall of the stainless tube. In
addition, at the temperatures used, the Ni powder would sinter and
not be easily to remove.
As for modifying the stainless using chemical etch, I doubt this
would be effective. This texture would have to be active initially
and remain unchanged at high temperature. Such textures are not
stable and would not survive the high temperature. Rossi has done
something to the Ni powder that is very stable and not affected by
high temperature. This fact alone greatly reduces the
possibilities to anyone familiar with the materials science of this
material. Rossi is gradually letting the cat out of the bag,
whether he wants to or not.
Ed Storms
On May 29, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Bob Higgins wrote:
I would like to submit my speculation about the latest Rossi
hotCat for discussion on Vortex-l.
· We are told that the central reactor core is a 310
stainless steel cylinder ( 3cm by 33cm). There is no port for
introduction of H2. The ends are cold welded closed.
· When the test device was sawed open, only a miniscule
amount of powder came out. This cannot be the active powder - it
would have melted as loose powder rather than conveying the heat
out of the cylinder.
· It is highly desirable to have high thermal conductivity
between the NAEs and the outer metal cylinder. You wouldn't get
this with loose powder on the inside.
· 310 stainless is ~25% chromium, ~21% Ni, and the balance
mostly iron
Consider what Celani has done - taken a Ni-Cu alloy wire and etched
out the Cu to realize the surface nanotexturing, thus creating NAEs
on the wire outer surface. Suppose we took the 310 stainless
cylinder and used a chromium etch on the inner surface. Chrome
etches typically contain nitric acid which will also attack the
iron, but not the nickel. The result could be a nanotextured Ni
inner surface of the 310 SS cylinder with perhaps a micro-scale Ni
"fur" in high thermal contact with the cylinder. There may be
further chemical texturing of the inner surface or nanopowder added
as part of a thermo-chemical modification of the surface to create
the NAEs in high number on the inner textured Ni surface.
Then, cold weld one end of the cylinder closed. Calculate the
amount of metal hydride needed to release the desired pressure of
H2 into the cylinder when it is heated and put this powder inside
the cylinder. Cold weld seal the second end closed. Viola! You
have a hotCat reactor core.
Rossi has also described his "cat and mouse" where the "mouse" was
added to enhance the performance of the hotCat. An easy
speculation for this would be that he could take some of his
previous Rossi micro-Ni + catalyst powder and add that as well to
the hotCat as a means to help the reaction begin from a lower
temperature.
I believe the cylindrical outer heaters are just resistor coils
embedded in a high thermal conductivity ceramic.
Comments?