At 2000C the clustering of potassium is large enough to exclude the requirement that nickel must nucleate the NAE.
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>wrote: > > On May 29, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > > There are two ways to form a NAE: fixed of dynamic. If a fixed NAE cannot > exist at 2000C, then the NAE must be dynamic > > > First of all, 2000° is above the melting point of Ni and stainless steel. > Once either melted, the reaction would stop regardless of your conclusion. > Second, why do you think the NAE is not stable at the temperatures used by > Rossi? > > Ed Storms > > > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>wrote: > >> >> On May 29, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Axil Axil wrote: >> >> Fixed NAE theory cannot explain the Cause of the meltdown of the Rossi >> reactor. Ed seems to ignore this clue. >> >> >> I ignore the clue because I do not think it is a clue. >> >> >> Only dynamic NAE creation can explain this meltdown process. >> >> >> Again, you say this with certainty. Please show why you are so sure. >> >> Ed Storms >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Why else would Rossi say that the output of his control box was a trade >>> secret? >>> >>> A DC feed of a internal heater is not a trade secret. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Arnaud Kodeck >>> <arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be>wrote: >>> >>>> Axil,**** >>>> >>>> I doubt that the actual design of the eCat is able to bring CB range >>>> signal from electrical heating system. Or where else ?**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] >>>> *Sent:* mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:08 >>>> *To:* vortex-l >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat >>>> **** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> EMF simulation in the CB range will form nanoparticles (aka clusters). >>>> Potassium is the best candidate for the formation of dynamic NAE through >>>> nanoparticle formation when stimulated by EMF. **** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Arnaud Kodeck <arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be> >>>> wrote:**** >>>> >>>> Ed,**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> I think you forget to add the EM stimulation controlled by the black >>>> box between wall socket and the eCat.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Arnaud**** >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] >>>> *Sent:* mercredi 29 mai 2013 21:53**** >>>> >>>> >>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>> *Cc:* Edmund Storms**** >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds the powder to the wall, only >>>> that this must be done. A secret sauce is applied before the Ni is placed >>>> in the e-Cat in order to create the NAE. You need to identify how many >>>> additional secret sauces you think are involved. He also places a hydride >>>> in the tube to supply hydrogen. This material also might have an effect. I >>>> suggest speculation about things we have no way of knowing is not >>>> productive. Let's discuss what is real and required by nature for the >>>> observed effect to be produced. **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> We know Rossi activates the Ni before it is used, i.e. creates the NAE. >>>> **** >>>> >>>> We know this powder must make good thermal contact with the wall.**** >>>> >>>> We know that Ni powder sinters at the temperature being produced.**** >>>> >>>> We know that the NAE is stable at these temperatures. **** >>>> >>>> We know that the generated power increases with increased temperature. >>>> Therefore, a positive feedback is operating.**** >>>> >>>> We know that Rossi attempts to control this feedback by controlling the >>>> temperature.**** >>>> >>>> We know that the power source responds rapidly to the external >>>> temperature. Therefore, good thermal contact exists between the source and >>>> the thermal sink. **** >>>> >>>> We can suspect that no additional source of energy or stimulation is >>>> applied to the power source other than temperature.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> These are the only facts I can identify. Did I miss anything?**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Ed Storms**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> On May 29, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Ed,**** >>>> >>>> you make a good case that something improves the thermal bond of the >>>> powder to the inner walls.. perhaps the function of the secret sauce.. I >>>> don’t recall the volume of the powder used but am under the impression it >>>> fills most of the reactor tube and therefore must also have good thermal >>>> bond through it’s own bulk to reach the reactor walls. I think the MAHG was >>>> a weak easily compromised cousin to this device with only a thin sputtered >>>> layer on the inner wall of the tube while Rossi has designed a way to stack >>>> NAE out into a bulk form away from the reactor wall. I gathered from the >>>> thread that very little powder spilled out when they cut it open after >>>> destruction… so would assume the bonding held the powder inside as a foam >>>> or gelatinous solid? Can we assume the secret sauce must bind the powder >>>> into some form of solid. I am leaning toward an open foam like malted milk >>>> balls but a recent thread also suggested a gelatinous colloid.**** >>>> >>>> Fran**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> *From:* Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com<stor...@ix.netcom.com> >>>> ] >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:43 AM >>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>> *Cc:* Edmund Storms >>>> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Bob, this is a good analysis of a possible design. You are right, the >>>> powder must make good thermal contact with the wall for the nuclear >>>> reaction to be controlled by temperature. Just how Rossi makes this happen >>>> is unknown. Nevertheless, most of the active nickel must be attached to >>>> the inner wall of the stainless tube. In addition, at the temperatures >>>> used, the Ni powder would sinter and not be easily to remove. **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> As for modifying the stainless using chemical etch, I doubt this would >>>> be effective. This texture would have to be active initially and remain >>>> unchanged at high temperature. Such textures are not stable and would not >>>> survive the high temperature. Rossi has done something to the Ni powder >>>> that is very stable and not affected by high temperature. This fact alone >>>> greatly reduces the possibilities to anyone familiar with the materials >>>> science of this material. Rossi is gradually letting the cat out of the >>>> bag, whether he wants to or not.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Ed Storms**** >>>> >>>> On May 29, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Bob Higgins wrote:**** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> I would like to submit my speculation about the latest Rossi hotCat >>>> for discussion on Vortex-l.**** >>>> >>>> · We are told that the central reactor core is a 310 stainless >>>> steel cylinder ( 3cm by 33cm). There is no port for introduction of H2. >>>> The ends are cold welded closed.**** >>>> >>>> · When the test device was sawed open, only a miniscule amount >>>> of powder came out. This cannot be the active powder - it would have >>>> melted as loose powder rather than conveying the heat out of the cylinder. >>>> **** >>>> >>>> · It is highly desirable to have high thermal conductivity >>>> between the NAEs and the outer metal cylinder. You wouldn't get this with >>>> loose powder on the inside.**** >>>> >>>> · 310 stainless is ~25% chromium, ~21% Ni, and the balance >>>> mostly iron**** >>>> >>>> Consider what Celani has done - taken a Ni-Cu alloy wire and etched out >>>> the Cu to realize the surface nanotexturing, thus creating NAEs on the wire >>>> outer surface. Suppose we took the 310 stainless cylinder and used a >>>> chromium etch on the inner surface. Chrome etches typically contain nitric >>>> acid which will also attack the iron, but not the nickel. The result could >>>> be a nanotextured Ni inner surface of the 310 SS cylinder with perhaps a >>>> micro-scale Ni "fur" in *high thermal contact with the cylinder*. >>>> There may be further chemical texturing of the inner surface or nanopowder >>>> added as part of a thermo-chemical modification of the surface to create >>>> the NAEs in high number on the inner textured Ni surface.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Then, cold weld one end of the cylinder closed. Calculate the amount >>>> of metal hydride needed to release the desired pressure of H2 into the >>>> cylinder when it is heated and put this powder inside the cylinder. Cold >>>> weld seal the second end closed. Viola! You have a hotCat reactor core. >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Rossi has also described his "cat and mouse" where the "mouse" was >>>> added to enhance the performance of the hotCat. An easy speculation for >>>> this would be that he could take some of his previous Rossi micro-Ni + >>>> catalyst powder and add that as well to the hotCat as a means to help the >>>> reaction begin from a lower temperature.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> I believe the cylindrical outer heaters are just resistor coils >>>> embedded in a high thermal conductivity ceramic.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Comments? **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >