From: Edmund Storms
I'm saying that BEC is known to form near absolute zero but has not been shown to form BETWEEN ATOMS at higher temperatures. People have PROPOSED BEC formation at high temperature between energy states but this has not been fully demonstrated or shown to apply to atoms. I will go further than Ed on this one. The BEC simply CANNOT form at higher than absolute zero in real matter- and certainly not at several hundred degrees C. There is a pretty good thread on Slashdot on this subject, and it is almost by definition. Polaritons are not real matter. That these are only an abstraction should be obvious to all . but apparently, it has not registered with a few of us that polaritons are imaginary "quasiparticles" - and although they may be useful as descriptive aids for how collective systems operate in practice, including LENR - they are fictitious. You do not need a physics text to understand the implications of higher temperature BECs in real matter - a "Cat's Cradle" will suffice, thanks to a fabulous old metaphor. So - even if you can find a paper on room temperature BECs in polaritons or magnons (my favorite quasiparticle for LENR), there are no paper for BEC real matter significantly above absolute zero. At least none that I know of - and in general, it should be obvious that if this kind of condensation could happen with real particles in real-world situations, then we (humanity) would be in trouble. Common sense should tell you - if this could happen easily - it is the proto-typical "Ice-nine" syndrome. On the one hand, Ice-nine is what would put the "cold" back into cold fusion, but thankfully or sadly, depending on your PoV, quasiparticles are not particles. Jones
