I agree that the patent is written to confuse.
By carefully selecting a few sentences and paragraphs from the patent I
think it is possible to find a rather neat semi-continuous flow version
of an intersting development of the Graneau water arc system, which is
consistent with the rather sketchy diagrams that they have shown.
I wonder...
Nigel
On 21/01/2014 18:29, Axil Axil wrote:
Re from the patent:
The current may be AC, DC or an AC-DC mixture. In
an embodiment, comprising a magnetohydrodynamic plasma to electric
power converter, the
current is DC such that a DC magnetic field is produced by the current.
The MHD converter is not developed yet so the demo will require
external power.
By the way. the patent is written to confuse and it is successful. The
patent defines every voltage, amperage, pulse rate and arc duration,
and every chemical that exists. In short, it says everything and its
says nothing.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net
<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel Dyer
The components of the demo don't look to me to be much like, for
example
the Catalyst Induced Hydrino Transition Electrochemical Cell, so I was
trying to work out what what we know about this configuration.
For example, the energizing electrodes that are mentioned. Do we have
an idea of what voltages might be involved and exactly how the
electrodes energize the water? In some respects this setup seems
oddly
familiar.
Nigel,
Well - I do not profess to know what will be shown - but if this
demo is not
clearly self-powering (no battery or external PS) then it will be a
disaster. It will not be sufficient to extrapolate. At this point
in time,
Mills must show a self-running device IMHO.
Based on the history of LENR, as early as 1990 (if not 1989) it was
suggested that the obvious thing to do with an electrolysis cell
which is
overunity, like the P&F cell - is to connect the gas output to a
PEM fuel
cell and thereby to "self-loop" the two. However, in the case of
Pd-D the
net gain is in thermal energy, and not in excess gas - so
self-power cannot
be accomplished easily that way.
However, it is possible in the case of plasma electrolysis of
water - for
the excess energy to be in the form of excess hydrogen and oxygen,
and this
is my hope for the BLP demo - even if we are only in the 100 watt
range of
power which is being circulated. At one time it looked like Mizuno
could
pull this off with his glow discharge cell - but he never did.
This demo will be a success if there is looped system (fully
self-powering)
in the 100 watt range, even if there is no usable excess. That is
because no
one has really done it before in a 3rd party demo. (there are numerous
claims and reports of looping having been accomplished for short
periods,
but not in a robust, on-demand way or by a reputable inventor who is
prepared to show it to independent third parties).
Therefore - It is safe to say for the record that there is no
independently
proved self-powering energy device as of 2014 - and if Mills can
pull that
off - hats off to him. He will steal most of Rossi's thunder.
Jones
