Mark--

I have an additional question for you regarding your definition of coherent 
regarding a semi-conductor.  

Semi-conductors depend upon electrons that flow in the semi-conductor to 
respond to voltages and that all the electrons in the semi-conductor occupy 
separate energy levels since they obey Fermi statistics and are in the same QM 
system.  If one electron leaves the system, all change their energy at the same 
time, responding instantaneously.  I think this description of a semi-conductor 
and response of electrons is accepted theory.  

Why would not the semi-conductor meet your definition of a coherent system?

Bob
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MarkI-Zeropoint 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 12:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered in 
evanescent light waves


  Bob:
  Of the several possibilites which you presented, only a BEC would meet my 
definition of coherent.


  Any assemblage of 2 or more atoms above a few degrees K are very likely NOT 
coherent; or if coherency happens to occur in a localized region of condensed 
matter, it won't last long enough to violate the laws of physics/chemistry 
which have been developed based on the UNcoherent behavior which defines bulk 
condensed matter.


  I've posted numerous FYIs about peer-reviewed research over the years which 
support a physical model I have in mind.  
  There was one that is particularly relevent to this topic of coherency... 
This research took two identical atoms and cooled them down to near-K.  I 
believe they then introduced a quantum of heat.  That quantum was absorbed by 
one of the atoms, causing it to begin shaking.  They could do something to the 
system which caused the quantum of heat to transfer to the other atom, which 
began shaking, and the first became still.


  You must look at all atoms as oscillators which have a fundamental frequency 
which they want to get to; this may or may not be the same thing as the 'lowest 
energy state' used by the mainstream.  When you remove all heat quanta from an 
assemblage of like atoms (oscillators),  they will oscillate at the same 
frequency and will be in a state of coherency (which we call a BEC, "all 
wavefunctions overlapped).  Add just ONE quantum of heat into that assemblage 
and it will combine with only one of the atoms, causing it to oscillate at a 
slightly different frequency, and it will be 'out-of-balance' so to speak and 
begin shaking... it wants to shed that quantum to get back to its fundamental 
freq, and if it does shed it, that quantum will get absorbed into another atom. 
 So one can look at heat as individual packets of energy which are being 
absorbed and shed in extremely small time intervals by the atoms making up the 
bulk matter. Heat quanta are the 'hot-potatoes' of the atomic world getting 
caught and tossed constantly.  


  To complicate matters further, throw in phonons and SPPs, possibly even 
'spin', which potentially represent oscillators of a different 'flavor', and we 
now have a very very complicated system of potentially interacting oscillators. 
 A further complication is that quanta of energy can ONLY be transferred 
between the different 'flavors' of oscillators if conditions are right.  This 
may involve FrankZ's concept of a type of impedance-matching between the 
different types of oscillators.  


  Given the above picture, is it any wonder that the probability of achieving 
even a small region of what I call coherency, for any significant length of 
time, in bulk matter is virtually nonexistent... and that would be the 
'universe' which is explained by current laws of physics and chemistry.  It 
also explains why LENR is so difficult to reproduce.  


  Try shrinking yourself down to the size of a proton and enter a NAE... what 
would you see?  One of the threads I started in the last year dealt with the 
inside of the NAE... It took awhile, but I think Ed finally acknowledged the 
fact that if the NAE (dislocation or 'micro-crack') was large enough, and no 
atoms entered it, it would be a perfect vacuum at 0K.  Are there photons of 
heat constantly flying thru it? Who knows... perhaps the NAE boundaries present 
a higher barrier to atoms shedding heat quanta so the NAE remains pretty much a 
perfect vacuum until a H or D atom diffuses into it.  Does that H or D atom 
then shed any heat quanta it has to join any others which have also entered the 
NAE.  If so, then wouldn't they form, spontaneously, a BEC?


  -Mark


  On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Bob Cook wrote:


   Mark-- 
    
  One of the issues is what is the extent of  Coherency--I have been calling it 
coupling   the material systems we  know.  
    
  Are crystals coherent?, are nano particles  coherent?,  
  are molecules coherent?, are BEC coherent?, are  semiconductor resistors 
coherent?  
    
  What in your experience defines the size of a  coherent system?  
    
  Bob 
    
  rom: MarkI-ZeroPoint
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 11:11    PM 
  Subject: RE: [Vo]:FYI: Extraordinary    momentum and spin discovered in 
evanescent light waves 


  “ However,    on the basis of an old calculation by Belinfante [Physica 6 887 
(1939)], it    can be shown that the spin may be regarded as an angular 
momentum generated by    a * circulating flow * of energy in the wave field of 
the    electron.” 
    
  This is at least    somewhat understandable if one considers the vacuum as a 
near-frictionless    fluid under extreme pressure… you cannot have ‘flow’ 
without a pressure    differential. 
    
  “ the    spin of the electrons is entirely analogous to the angular momentum 
carried by    a classical circularly polarized wave.” 
    
  I    commented on the importance of “coherence” in a posting several days ago…
    well, coherence involves not only a frequency component, but a polarization 
   (or phase relationship) component.  The bulk matter, or ‘chemistry’ that    
Dr. Storms has spent his life in, does NOT involve coherency… the laws that he  
  is intimately familiar with do not involve systems where significant groups 
of    atoms/electrons/SPP/???  are all coherently interacting… LENR will    
require a new set of laws for these regions of coherent    entities. 
    
  -Mark    Iverson 
    
  From: Axil Axil    [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
  Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 9:08    PM 
  To: vortex-l 
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: Extraordinary    momentum and spin discovered in 
evanescent light    waves 
    
  http://jayryablon.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/ohanian-what-is-spin.pdf
    
    What is Spin? Am J. Phys. 54 (6) June 1986.    The abstract is: 
  According to the prevailing belief, the spin of the electron or some other    
particle is a mysterious internal angular momentum for which no concrete    
physical picture is available, and for which there is no classical analog.    
However, on the basis of an old calculation by Belinfante [Physica 6 887    
(1939)], it can be shown that the spin may be regarded as an angular momentum   
 generated by a circulating flow of energy in the wave field of the electron.   
 Likewise, the magnetic moment may be regarded as generated by a circulating    
flow of charge in the wave field. This provides an intuitivelyl appealing    
picture and establishes that neither the spin nor the magnetic moment are    
“internal” — they are not associated with the internal structure of the    
electron, but rather with the structure of the field. Furthermore, a    
comparison between calculations of angular momentum in the Dirac and    
electromagnetic fields shows that the spin of the electrons is entirely    
analogous to the angular momentum carried by a classical circularly polarized   
 wave. 
  On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Axil Axil < janap...@gmail.com>    wrote: 
  Regarding Belinfante spin momentum. 
    
  Belinfante worked out that the spin of the electron was    produced as a 
result of its wave function and not motion of  forces    within the electron. 
    
  Now the same considerations show that spin comes from    angular momentum and 
the wave nature of photons. 
    
  That leans support to the concept that electrons and    photons are related 
if not identical.  
    
    
  On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Bob Cook < frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
  Jones-- 
    
  It seems an    answer to my original question for this blog--2 months 
ago--about spin    coupling is finally coming out.  I hope Ed takes note and 
decides to    address the basic parameter, spin, in his theory for    LENR.. 
    
  Bob 
  ----- Original      Message ----- 
  From: Bob Cook
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sunday, March      09, 2014 4:12 PM 
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI:      Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered in 
evanescent light      waves 
    
  Jones-- 
    
  the      rabbit hole just became more crowded. 
    
  Bob 
  ----- Original        Message ----- 
  From: Jones Beene
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sunday, March        09, 2014 2:32 PM 
  Subject: RE: [Vo]:FYI:        Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered in 
evanescent light        waves 
    
  These        references tie into the thread on a dynamical Casimir effect in 
LENR and        to SPP. 
  That        may be why they were sent, but in case the connection is not 
obvious to        everyone, here is an additional point. 
  Mie        scattering and Mie’s solution to Maxwell - is the scattering of    
    electromagnetic radiation by a sphere. Generally a sphere makes a good      
  radiator but does not make a good antenna, but there are exceptions. When     
   the sphere is a micron-sized nickel powder, loaded with hydrogen and with    
    nanometer geometry in the surface features (tubules), all of this becomes   
     relevant to SPP. 
  On        page 5 of the first link, they talk about SPP “Recently, we 
described such        spin for surface plasmon polariton, and it was shown that 
the imaginary        longitudinal field component plays an important role in 
optical coupling        processes… 
  From: Mark Jurich 
              Mark Iverson wrote: 
              | Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered in evanescent light  
      waves 
              | 
http://phys.org/news/2014-03-extraordinary-momentum-evanescent.html
              | Paper Ref: 
             | 
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140306/ncomms4300/full/ncomms4300.html
  FYI: 
  arXiv        Preprint: http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1308/1308.0547.pdf
  (arXiv        Abstract: http://arxiv.org/abs/1308.0547) 
  - Mark        Jurich 
    

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