Mark--
I have an additional question for you regarding your definition of coherent
regarding a semi-conductor.
Semi-conductors depend upon electrons that flow in the semi-conductor to
respond to voltages and that all the electrons in the semi-conductor occupy
separate energy levels since they obey Fermi statistics and are in the same QM
system. If one electron leaves the system, all change their energy at the same
time, responding instantaneously. I think this description of a semi-conductor
and response of electrons is accepted theory.
Why would not the semi-conductor meet your definition of a coherent system?
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: MarkI-Zeropoint
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered in
evanescent light waves
Bob:
Of the several possibilites which you presented, only a BEC would meet my
definition of coherent.
Any assemblage of 2 or more atoms above a few degrees K are very likely NOT
coherent; or if coherency happens to occur in a localized region of condensed
matter, it won't last long enough to violate the laws of physics/chemistry
which have been developed based on the UNcoherent behavior which defines bulk
condensed matter.
I've posted numerous FYIs about peer-reviewed research over the years which
support a physical model I have in mind.
There was one that is particularly relevent to this topic of coherency...
This research took two identical atoms and cooled them down to near-K. I
believe they then introduced a quantum of heat. That quantum was absorbed by
one of the atoms, causing it to begin shaking. They could do something to the
system which caused the quantum of heat to transfer to the other atom, which
began shaking, and the first became still.
You must look at all atoms as oscillators which have a fundamental frequency
which they want to get to; this may or may not be the same thing as the 'lowest
energy state' used by the mainstream. When you remove all heat quanta from an
assemblage of like atoms (oscillators), they will oscillate at the same
frequency and will be in a state of coherency (which we call a BEC, "all
wavefunctions overlapped). Add just ONE quantum of heat into that assemblage
and it will combine with only one of the atoms, causing it to oscillate at a
slightly different frequency, and it will be 'out-of-balance' so to speak and
begin shaking... it wants to shed that quantum to get back to its fundamental
freq, and if it does shed it, that quantum will get absorbed into another atom.
So one can look at heat as individual packets of energy which are being
absorbed and shed in extremely small time intervals by the atoms making up the
bulk matter. Heat quanta are the 'hot-potatoes' of the atomic world getting
caught and tossed constantly.
To complicate matters further, throw in phonons and SPPs, possibly even
'spin', which potentially represent oscillators of a different 'flavor', and we
now have a very very complicated system of potentially interacting oscillators.
A further complication is that quanta of energy can ONLY be transferred
between the different 'flavors' of oscillators if conditions are right. This
may involve FrankZ's concept of a type of impedance-matching between the
different types of oscillators.
Given the above picture, is it any wonder that the probability of achieving
even a small region of what I call coherency, for any significant length of
time, in bulk matter is virtually nonexistent... and that would be the
'universe' which is explained by current laws of physics and chemistry. It
also explains why LENR is so difficult to reproduce.
Try shrinking yourself down to the size of a proton and enter a NAE... what
would you see? One of the threads I started in the last year dealt with the
inside of the NAE... It took awhile, but I think Ed finally acknowledged the
fact that if the NAE (dislocation or 'micro-crack') was large enough, and no
atoms entered it, it would be a perfect vacuum at 0K. Are there photons of
heat constantly flying thru it? Who knows... perhaps the NAE boundaries present
a higher barrier to atoms shedding heat quanta so the NAE remains pretty much a
perfect vacuum until a H or D atom diffuses into it. Does that H or D atom
then shed any heat quanta it has to join any others which have also entered the
NAE. If so, then wouldn't they form, spontaneously, a BEC?
-Mark
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Bob Cook wrote:
Mark--
One of the issues is what is the extent of Coherency--I have been calling it
coupling the material systems we know.
Are crystals coherent?, are nano particles coherent?,
are molecules coherent?, are BEC coherent?, are semiconductor resistors
coherent?
What in your experience defines the size of a coherent system?
Bob
rom: MarkI-ZeroPoint
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 11:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:FYI: Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered in
evanescent light waves
However, on the basis of an old calculation by Belinfante [Physica 6 887
(1939)], it can be shown that the spin may be regarded as an angular
momentum generated by a * circulating flow * of energy in the wave field of
the electron.
This is at least somewhat understandable if one considers the vacuum as a
near-frictionless fluid under extreme pressure
you cannot have flow
without a pressure differential.
the spin of the electrons is entirely analogous to the angular momentum
carried by a classical circularly polarized wave.
I commented on the importance of coherence in a posting several days ago
well, coherence involves not only a frequency component, but a polarization
(or phase relationship) component. The bulk matter, or chemistry that
Dr. Storms has spent his life in, does NOT involve coherency
the laws that he
is intimately familiar with do not involve systems where significant groups
of atoms/electrons/SPP/??? are all coherently interacting
LENR will
require a new set of laws for these regions of coherent entities.
-Mark Iverson
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 9:08 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered in
evanescent light waves
http://jayryablon.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/ohanian-what-is-spin.pdf
What is Spin? Am J. Phys. 54 (6) June 1986. The abstract is:
According to the prevailing belief, the spin of the electron or some other
particle is a mysterious internal angular momentum for which no concrete
physical picture is available, and for which there is no classical analog.
However, on the basis of an old calculation by Belinfante [Physica 6 887
(1939)], it can be shown that the spin may be regarded as an angular momentum
generated by a circulating flow of energy in the wave field of the electron.
Likewise, the magnetic moment may be regarded as generated by a circulating
flow of charge in the wave field. This provides an intuitivelyl appealing
picture and establishes that neither the spin nor the magnetic moment are
internal they are not associated with the internal structure of the
electron, but rather with the structure of the field. Furthermore, a
comparison between calculations of angular momentum in the Dirac and
electromagnetic fields shows that the spin of the electrons is entirely
analogous to the angular momentum carried by a classical circularly polarized
wave.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Axil Axil < janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
Regarding Belinfante spin momentum.
Belinfante worked out that the spin of the electron was produced as a
result of its wave function and not motion of forces within the electron.
Now the same considerations show that spin comes from angular momentum and
the wave nature of photons.
That leans support to the concept that electrons and photons are related
if not identical.
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Bob Cook < frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jones--
It seems an answer to my original question for this blog--2 months
ago--about spin coupling is finally coming out. I hope Ed takes note and
decides to address the basic parameter, spin, in his theory for LENR..
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Cook
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered in
evanescent light waves
Jones--
the rabbit hole just became more crowded.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:FYI: Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered in
evanescent light waves
These references tie into the thread on a dynamical Casimir effect in
LENR and to SPP.
That may be why they were sent, but in case the connection is not
obvious to everyone, here is an additional point.
Mie scattering and Mies solution to Maxwell - is the scattering of
electromagnetic radiation by a sphere. Generally a sphere makes a good
radiator but does not make a good antenna, but there are exceptions. When
the sphere is a micron-sized nickel powder, loaded with hydrogen and with
nanometer geometry in the surface features (tubules), all of this becomes
relevant to SPP.
On page 5 of the first link, they talk about SPP Recently, we
described such spin for surface plasmon polariton, and it was shown that
the imaginary longitudinal field component plays an important role in
optical coupling processes
From: Mark Jurich
Mark Iverson wrote:
| Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered in evanescent light
waves
|
http://phys.org/news/2014-03-extraordinary-momentum-evanescent.html
| Paper Ref:
|
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140306/ncomms4300/full/ncomms4300.html
FYI:
arXiv Preprint: http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1308/1308.0547.pdf
(arXiv Abstract: http://arxiv.org/abs/1308.0547)
- Mark Jurich
