Bob:
Of the several possibilites which you presented, only a BEC would meet
my definition of coherent.
Any assemblage of 2 or more atoms above a few degrees K are very likely
NOT coherent; or if coherency happens to occur in a localized region of
condensed matter, it won't last long enough to violate the laws of
physics/chemistry which have been developed based on the UNcoherent
behavior which defines bulk condensed matter.
I've posted numerous FYIs about peer-reviewed research over the years
which support a physical model I have in mind.
There was one that is particularly relevent to this topic of
coherency... This research took two identical atoms and cooled them down
to near-K. I believe they then introduced a quantum of heat. That
quantum was absorbed by one of the atoms, causing it to begin shaking.
They could do something to the system which caused the quantum of heat
to transfer to the other atom, which began shaking, and the first became
still.
You must look at all atoms as oscillators which have a fundamental
frequency which they want to get to; this may or may not be the same
thing as the 'lowest energy state' used by the mainstream. When you
remove all heat quanta from an assemblage of like atoms (oscillators),
they will oscillate at the same frequency and will be in a state of
coherency (which we call a BEC, "all wavefunctions overlapped). Add
just ONE quantum of heat into that assemblage and it will combine with
only one of the atoms, causing it to oscillate at a slightly different
frequency, and it will be 'out-of-balance' so to speak and begin
shaking... it wants to shed that quantum to get back to its fundamental
freq, and if it does shed it, that quantum will get absorbed into
another atom. So one can look at heat as individual packets of energy
which are being absorbed and shed in extremely small time intervals by
the atoms making up the bulk matter. Heat quanta are the 'hot-potatoes'
of the atomic world getting caught and tossed constantly.
To complicate matters further, throw in phonons and SPPs, possibly even
'spin', which potentially represent oscillators of a different 'flavor',
and we now have a very very complicated system of potentially
interacting oscillators. A further complication is that quanta of
energy can ONLY be transferred between the different 'flavors' of
oscillators if conditions are right. This may involve FrankZ's concept
of a type of impedance-matching between the different types of
oscillators.
Given the above picture, is it any wonder that the probability of
achieving even a small region of what I call coherency, for any
significant length of time, in bulk matter is virtually nonexistent...
and that would be the 'universe' which is explained by current laws of
physics and chemistry. It also explains why LENR is so difficult to
reproduce.
Try shrinking yourself down to the size of a proton and enter a NAE...
what would you see? One of the threads I started in the last year dealt
with the inside of the NAE... It took awhile, but I think Ed finally
acknowledged the fact that if the NAE (dislocation or 'micro-crack') was
large enough, and no atoms entered it, it would be a perfect vacuum at
0K. Are there photons of heat constantly flying thru it? Who knows...
perhaps the NAE boundaries present a higher barrier to atoms shedding
heat quanta so the NAE remains pretty much a perfect vacuum until a H or
D atom diffuses into it. Does that H or D atom then shed any heat
quanta it has to join any others which have also entered the NAE. If
so, then wouldn't they form, spontaneously, a BEC?
-Mark
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Bob Cook wrote:
Mark--
One of the issues is what is the extent of Coherency--I have been
calling it coupling the material systems we know.
Are crystals coherent?, are nano particles coherent?,
are molecules coherent?, are BEC coherent?, are semiconductor resistors
coherent?
What in your experience defines the size of a coherent system?
Bob
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However, on the basis of an old calculation by Belinfante [Physica
6 887 (1939)], it can be shown that the spin may be regarded as an
angular momentum generated by a * circulating flow * of energy in the
wave field of the electron.
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This is at least somewhat understandable if one considers the vacuum
as a near-frictionless fluid under extreme pressure
you cannot have
flow without a pressure differential.
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the spin of the electrons is entirely analogous to the angular
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I commented on the importance of coherence in a posting several
days ago
well, coherence involves not only a frequency component,
but a polarization (or phase relationship) component. The bulk
matter, or chemistry that Dr. Storms has spent his life in, does
NOT involve coherency
the laws that he is intimately familiar with
do not involve systems where significant groups of
atoms/electrons/SPP/??? are all coherently interacting
LENR will
require a new set of laws for these regions of coherent entities.
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-Mark Iverson
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From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
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http://jayryablon.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/ohanian-what-is-spin.pdf
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What is Spin? Am J. Phys. 54 (6) June 1986
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. The abstract is:
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According to the prevailing belief, the spin of the electron or some
other particle is a mysterious internal angular momentum for which no
concrete physical picture is available, and for which there is no
classical analog. However, on the basis of an old calculation by
Belinfante [Physica 6 887 (1939)], it can be shown that the spin may
be regarded as an angular momentum generated by a circulating flow of
energy in the wave field of the electron. Likewise, the magnetic
moment may be regarded as generated by a circulating flow of charge
in the wave field. This provides an intuitivelyl appealing picture
and establishes that neither the spin nor the magnetic moment are
internal they are not associated with the internal structure of the
electron, but rather with the structure of the field. Furthermore, a
comparison between calculations of angular momentum in the Dirac and
electromagnetic fields shows that the spin of the electrons is entirely
analogous to the angular momentum carried by a classical circularly
polarized wave.
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Regarding Belinfante spin momentum.
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Belinfante worked out that the spin of the electron was produced as a
result of its wave function and not motion of forces within the
electron.
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Now the same considerations show that spin comes from angular
momentum and the wave nature of photons.
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That leans support to the concept that electrons and photons are
related if not identical.
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On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Bob Cook < frobertc...@hotmail.com
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Jones--
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It seems an answer to my original question for this blog--2 months
ago--about spin coupling is finally coming out. I hope Ed takes note
and decides to address the basic parameter, spin, in his theory for
LENR..
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Jones--
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the rabbit hole just became more crowded.
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Subject: RE: [Vo]:FYI: Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered
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These references tie into the thread on a dynamical Casimir
effect in LENR and to SPP.
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That may be why they were sent, but in case the connection is not
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Mie scattering and Mies solution to Maxwell - is the scattering
of electromagnetic radiation by a sphere. Generally a sphere
makes a good radiator but does not make a good antenna, but there
are exceptions. When the sphere is a micron-sized nickel powder,
loaded with hydrogen and with nanometer geometry in the surface
features (tubules), all of this becomes relevant to SPP.
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On page 5 of the first link, they talk about SPP Recently, we
described such spin for surface plasmon polariton, and it was
shown that the imaginary longitudinal field component plays an
important role in optical coupling processes
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From: Mark Jurich
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Mark Iverson wrote:
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| Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered in evanescent
light waves
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http://phys.org/news/2014-03-extraordinary-momentum-evanescent.html
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<http://phys.org/news/2014-03-extraordinary-momentum-evanescent.html>
| Paper Ref:
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http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140306/ncomms4300/full/ncomms4300.html
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FYI:
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arXiv Preprint:
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1308/1308.0547.pdf
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<http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1308/1308.0547.pdf>
(arXiv Abstract: http://arxiv.org/abs/1308.0547
<http://arxiv.org/abs/1308.0547> ) <http://arxiv.org/abs/1308.0547>
- Mark Jurich <http://arxiv.org/abs/1308.0547>
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