I agree. Much of the time I do not agree with you. Much of the time I do not understand your speculations. But your speculations are usually about as good as anyone else's, and sometimes your speculations are brilliant.
Ed left this forum because there was too much speculatin' goin' on. Now we have Jojo conjuring Ed's Vortical Internet ghost saying that, in particular, your speculations are worth less than others and there should be a minimum threshold that shuts you out. I think such a thing would be unhealthy and would cut out 90% of current Vorticians. Let the anti-speculators go wherever Ed went, onto those "serious" elitist scientific forums. I can't identify any speculations from Jojo that would compete with yours. So in essence he's saying, "yours aint good enough and I don't have to put up anything in competition, I just expect better". Much like an art critic who can't generate art, or a movie critic who has never worked in the movie industry (other than to criticize). On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > We are here to speculate and this forum is the place that you come to > speculate. > > > On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> With all due respect my friend, DGT and John H are no where near the >> caliber of Ed Storms. This is precisely the kind of skewed science by >> popularity that I am bemoaning. What we have is a kid (a rather dishonest >> bunch kids at that.) arguing with a cancer specialist. What is John H's >> qualifications to even begin to be the authority in this field? What does >> DGT have? A "pre-industrial H6" machine? LOL.... >> >> When two highly qualified people, first Stremmenos, then Gamberale, speak >> against their self-interest, we need to take heed. (We also have Jed's >> first hand testimony of his experience with DGT) DGT is a fraud as far as >> I am concerned and yet we hold the work of such dubious entities against >> the work and knowledge of a long-time researcher with a proven and >> distinguished track record. Does that really make sense to you? >> >> Heck, you can do better just arguing with Ed yourself without invoking >> the authority of DGT. Invoking DGT and the mythical hyperion will only >> serve to damage your credibility. >> >> >> Jojo >> >> >> PS. When someone begins to speak against "Old Guard" LENR theories, it >> makes sense for them to have a robust theory first. Not an ad-hoc >> patchwork of speculation and misrepresented experimental data creating >> miracle explanations and then more miracles trying to hold on to the first >> miracle. >> >> Come on guys, we need to temper this distraction and try to focus. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >> *To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:44 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The 5 states of matter >> >> Ed Storms last post: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Bob, I know very well about muon fusion. If you took the time to read my >> papers, you would understand not only do I understand but you have no idea >> what you are talking about. The muon produces hot fusion, not cold fusion. >> The process has no relationship to cold fusion. >> >> >> >> I have tried to be patient and explain what is known about LENR and what >> I consider a useful explanation. I have found these discussions >> interesting and useful in trying to explain LENR. However, I no longer see >> a purpose in continuing to subscribe to Vortex. The goal here is not to >> understand but to speculate. That is not my goal. >> >> >> >> Ed Storms >> >> >> >> --------------------------- >> >> >> >> To set the record straight, Ed was under heavy speculative pressure from >> many here on vortex and I was not the most effective because of my >> excessive good nature and respect for the opinions of others. IMHO, as >> usually happens, Jones was the most biting. You give be too much credit in >> the Storms confrontations. >> >> >> >> To give some background on the special contempt that Ed holds for SPP >> theory, Ed's SPP theory disregard is tied to DGT as perfected in the >> private and unknown discussions held in CMMS between Ed and John H. >> >> >> >> If DGT succeeds in securing its intellectual property rights, the SPP >> theory might well be supported by much experimental evidence. As it is now, >> DGT has released much supporting evidence for BEC and SPP theory. >> >> >> >> If DGT fails, this true theory will be lost for another 100 years. But >> like LENR, SPP theory will eventually be accepted because it is the true >> way the Ni/H reactor works. >> >> >> >> If Rossi reads vortex, he will also see the truth in the SPP theory upon >> reflection of the inner workings of his cat and mouse. >> >> >> >> You might see something SPP like from Rossi but he is not interested in >> truth telling. >> >> >> >> I am just a weak reflection of the battles between DGT, Dr. Kim and >> George Miley and Ed Storms. Dr. Kim is the original purveyor of the BEC >> theory. >> >> >> >> From reading the latest posts of Peter, he is about to speak against the >> old LENR theories. And Peter will become another outcast imposed by telling >> the truth among the old guard LENR workers. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Peter, My objections are not so much rooted in the "new" ideas >>> themselves, but in ideas that have no basis in reality pretending to be >>> heirs to the throne. These ideas are a distraction. We need to get rid of >>> these "fluffs". People with no training or qualifications in this area >>> have the audacity to start arguing with Ed Storms, a proven, long-time >>> researcher in the field. Understanding this field requires a deep >>> knowledge in many scientific disciplines only a few people like Ed >>> have. Ed is uniquely qualified to even begin discussing this field, yet >>> his theories are rejected in favor of the latest, but definitely not the >>> greatest, theories proposing structures and substances we clearly know can >>> not exist. >>> >>> My challenge is open to anyone who can satisfactorily answer my initial >>> contention. How can the nickel nanostructures, such as nanowires, nano >>> antennas, etc continue to exist to catalyze these "LENR" reactions at >>> temperatures enough to sinter, then melt then even evaporate or sublimate >>> nickel nanoparticles. Proposing a novel structure (BEC soltions, etc) that >>> possesses novel abilities (metaphasic shielding) is utterly ridiculous. >>> And this coming from an anonymous source who has not even began to >>> establish his qualifications to even begin to discuss in this field. Am I >>> the only one that see this as a problem? >>> >>> Would you accept cancer treatment advise from an ordinary doctor, and >>> not a cancer specialist. Or better still, would you from a non-doctor. Or >>> even still, from a kid with clearly no medical training and >>> qualifications. And even better still, from an anonymous kid with clearly >>> no medical traininig and qualifications. Would you hold this kid's opinion >>> in higher regard than the specialist's opinion? >>> >>> Our cancer specialist has several decades of proven field experience >>> with a library bigger than what anyone has. Our cancer specialist has >>> studied extensively this field probably even before our kid was born. Yet >>> the kid proposes to excise our cancer with his "light saber", which >>> supposedly has unique "nano metaphasic shielding" abilities, and we are all >>> awed by the supposed miraculous abilities of this light saber that we >>> forget to even realize that this light saber does not and can not exist. >>> >>> So, those who are most prolific in proposing ideas win? >>> >>> Is this how science is supposed to work? This is worse than the >>> 2000-climatologists committee-based, consensus-based, >>> computer-simulation-based "science" of climate scaremongers. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jojo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Peter Gluck <peter.gl...@gmail.com> >>> *To:* VORTEX <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 09, 2014 10:53 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The 5 states of matter >>> >>> Dear Jojo, >>> >>> I want to answer you in part, prior to Axil. >>> We have to take great care with naming ideas willy >>> nilly,,nanoplasmonics, nanomagnetism, BEC are not so have a growing >>> literature - see Google Scholar please and do a lighting fast search. >>> What sacrosnct rules they contradict how when this has to be shown for >>> any case in detail. Thermodynamics is first candidate and it is much >>> invoked- >>> great care! >>> I think that the field is in such a deep trouble- not understood, >>> desired process not controlled, no possibilities of intensification and >>> scale-up >>> visible- that really new ideas, principles, theories are needed. The old >>> ones >>> have no connection to the experimental reality- Ed Storms is right in >>> not liking theories; he still has to demonstrate that his new theory has >>> problem solving power. >>> >>> I would advise to welcome ideas that are new here- but have domains of >>> validity outside LENR. You also can come with new ideas, the old ones have >>> not been productive at all, right?. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Axil, I feel it is counterproductive to the advancement of science >>>> for people to be proposing ideas willy nilly - ideas that have no bearing >>>> in reality and cleary violates known physical principles. Attempts at >>>> theory of these kinds are not helpful and adds a significant amount of >>>> noise that needs to be sifted thru and vetted. I think this is what Ed >>>> storms is lamenting from ideas coming in this forum. >>>> >>>> Take your ideas of exotic substances (BEC soltions) shielding >>>> nanostructures from melting in high temps. Such "metaphasic shielding" >>>> ideas are counterproductive. Instead of cleary admitting that your ideas >>>> has a big hole - a clear violation of a known physical property; you >>>> propose this even more preposterous idea of metaphasic shielding for high >>>> temps to try to explain another created miracle. Each miracle requires a >>>> dozen more miracles to explain it. This is getting ridiculous. >>>> >>>> Tell me my friend; would you be so bold in proposing such >>>> ludricous ideas if people knew who you really are? Being anonymous affords >>>> you the opportunity to be as outrageous and senseless as you like without >>>> consequence. I am trying to say this without any attempt at a personal >>>> attack, but people has got to admit - this is part of the problem, and IMO, >>>> part of why Ed left this forum. >>>> >>>> >>>> Jojo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>> *To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2014 3:44 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The 5 states of matter >>>> >>>> *The whole discussion about different theories is way too adament in >>>> my opinion. It seems like if evry theory is having problems to be accepted >>>> by a wide group of scientists.* >>>> >>>> Whenever there is a mystery in science, many theories are proposed to >>>> explain that mystery. Take for an example dark matter, there are hundreds >>>> of theories that have been put forth to explain that mystery. There is even >>>> a dozen categories in which these theories can be grouped. >>>> >>>> The debate that weighs each new piece of evidence against all those >>>> theories is very healthy. Over time, and with many iterations, one of the >>>> many will pull away in the theory sweepstakes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Peter Gluck >>> Cluj, Romania >>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com >>> >>> >> >
