It's findings like this that have lead some people to the same conclusion: Multiple reaction pathways are taking place in one system (a cocktail of sorts). As a result, we see perpetual conflation of the "F&P Heat Effect" (aka radiationless cold fusion) w/ whatever unusual hot fusion effect is being produced (i.e. like Axil linking LeClair's work to cold fusion, which is totally off-base, unless one is ready, at this early juncture, to adopt wholesale his hyper-speculative "whispering quantum hall magic gamma shield" hypothesis), perhaps by small-scale fracto-fusion, Casimir forces, & cavitation, when conditions are right, and so on. That's just spit-balling though, because as we know the neutron-to-tritium ratio is not reflective of known hot fusion reactions in the slightest, so whatever is producing the tritium has got to be a strange reaction pathway as well, because its certainly not commensurate with the excess heat either. This is one of those "mysteries" that I have seen no theory adequately answer as of yet. Storms made a good go of it in his recent book (at the very least he recognizes and advertises this enigma) but we'll have to await reliable ash data from NiH before any reliable conclusions can be drawn.
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Its pretty clear that the SPAWAR experiments saw high energy neutrons in > their experiments, which were reasonable well funded. They also saw high > energy protons and alphas. These were apparently "hot fusion" type > reactions. > > However, they also saw what they called cold fusion--LENR--reactions that > produced no gammas and apparently fused D-D to helium with a 24 Mev > distribution of energy. They indicated that the gammas were suppressed and > postulated a Mossbauer type effect which distributed the energy to the > matrix. The correlation to excess energy is not spelled out in the 2009 > presentation, however. It is only briefly discussed in one or two slides > of the power point presentation. I remember it is discussed in more detail > in another presentation which I do not have handy. > > Thus, SPAWAR seems to claim both hot fusion and cold fusion at the same > time with respect to He formation. > > See a presentation of their results at: > > http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CEwQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewenergytimes.com%2Fv2%2Flibrary%2F2009%2F2009SPAWAR-ET-AL-UM.pdf&ei=L-gaVMrfIcXdoASRmIGoDQ&usg=AFQjCNGB2CY_kaqEk7hfQgtKRwtrA3GWxg&bvm=bv.75742615,d.cGU > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ian Walker <walker...@gmail.com> > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:49 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:gossip from "Paul", at E-Cat world > > Hmm... Lithium > > Hmm... Graphite and Beryllium or maybe a Hydrocarbon. > > Moderation may well be the key and granular size and percentage in the > mix. > > > On 18 September 2014 09:43, Ian Walker <walker...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hmm... Boron. >> >> >> On 18 September 2014 09:32, Ian Walker <walker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The Reference to Neutron production is telling. >>> This gives an area to research for others and a clue as to the process, >>> eg one that is capable of producing Neutrons of an energy n. >>> >>> Neutron decay is: n0 → p+ + e− + νe. >>> >>> p and e could be the more important energy producers in LENR! >>> >>> What energy such Neutrons have and where they decay would be a >>> significant proportion of the energy in the reaction; depending on the >>> process that creates such supposed Neutrons. >>> >>> MFMP had gamma bursts in their experiments and that has been reliably >>> repeated both by them selves and other labs. For some time I have thought >>> they were the equivalent of a car back firing that poisons the LENR and >>> that for the reaction to be stable that it had to be prevented as well as >>> for possible health reasons. >>> >>> If the Neutrons are literally Low Energy Neutrons then if the decay with >>> the reaction chamber, and I am talking nanometres here, then they sustain >>> the reaction if they are higher energy they spit out beyond the reaction >>> then we see the classic gamma burst from Neutron decay outside the reactor >>> and such Neutrons don't feed the reaction. >>> >>> Now bear in mind that in such a reaction, Neutrons would probably be a >>> bell curve of energies, some supporting the reaction other Neutrons exiting >>> the reactor proper yet others decaying destructively to the LENR within >>> reaction chamber THEN obtaining fine control of that Neutron energy is a >>> goldilocks reaction! The porridge can be too HOT or too COLD but if it is >>> just right the reaction maintains it self. >>> >>> Such a process of where the Neutrons decay would explain why LENR has >>> been so hard to replicate reliably and Rossi's secret catalyst is an >>> addition that catalyses and decays the neutron at the correct JUST RIGHT >>> goldilocks level. >>> >>> On 18 September 2014 06:05, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Speaking of grasping for every little straw, there was an interesting >>>> post at E-Cat World: >>>> >>>> http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/09/17/e-cat-rumor-from-a/ >>>> >>>> Congratulations go to Frank Acland for making this an indispensable >>>> site for news. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
