Hi Neil, You might be interested to read a document I created on my website a few years ago explaining ‘Owner Account - permissions.
http://www.ronnibrown.net/technicial/owner-account-permissions/index.html Kind Regards, Ronni Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB > On 19 May 2020, at 1:56 pm, Neil Houghton <n...@possumology.com> wrote: > > > Hi Daniel, > > Thanks for that info - that is all interesting & good to know. > > Things may well be different in later operating systems - I think that the > last time I had these problems was when I (finally) decided to move from OSX > 10.6 Snow leopard (my all-time favourite) to OSX 11 El Capitan (the last > system that is compatible with most of my computers). I had also just rebuilt > my main iMac (late 2009) with an SSD and new 3TB HD and took the RAM up to > 24GB and decided to get rid of over decade of built up detritus by going with > a clean install of El Capitan ( I keep a bootable clone of the old Snow > Leopard installation on a separate partition on the internal HD but don't > need to access it very often). > > So, I was not using the normal "migration Assistant" route between computers > and I was not "sharing" over the network. I was basically setting up from > scratch but pulling user info either between computers using target disk mode > or from HDs with clones of the old setup. From memory, my problem happened > when I setup one of the computers without first creating the admin account. I > remembered having similar issues in the (further) past so I just backed out > and created the user accounts as for the other computer(s) and that solved > the problem. > > I am not surprised that, in the scenario you mentioned, it all worked fine - > as I said before: > " Each computer setup works fine on its own and, when sharing, you login > using the correct details for the relevant account - so you can get access to > the account with the same user name/password but different User ID. Then if > you want to copy a document to your computer it will be given the correct > permissions with you as owner. " > > If I understand it correctly you are logged into your laptop as UserID 501 > but accessing the iMac as UserID 502 - but when you copy the files over it > will change the file owner from 502 to 501 and, thereafter, they are "your" > files on the laptop - no problem. > > As I say, I do not remember the exact circumstances when I have encountered > these problems but it resulted in me not being able to see or have access to > my own user data because the system thought it belonged to another user. When > I read Matt's original email, my first thought was that his issues were > connected with user permissions - so I suggested he check UserIDs and this > confirmed that his problem iMac does, in fact, have a different UserID from > the other two for what he considers to be the same account. Exactly WHY this > is giving him the problems is hard to know without knowing the exact steps > Matt went through when setting up the new iMac. > > > I have just re-read Matt's original email and it seems to me there are two > separate (but possibly related) problems: > > The sharing problem: > The 2 older iMacs can connect to each other and the new iMac can connect to > each of the older iMac – which suggest that sharing is setup correctly on the > older iMacs. > Neither of the older iMacs can connect to the newer iMac – which suggests > that the sharing setup on the newer iMac requires re-configuration > The permissions problem: > The older iMac can connect to the newer iMacs and, presumably can access and > copy files from them. However it cannot “save” files to them. > I think this is because the newer iMacs see user 501 as being connected to > them but the files/folders being accessed belong to user 502. > These files/folders will presumably have the default “read only” privileges > for other users - only 502 can “write” to them even though 501 has sharing > access to view them. > If the account on the new iMac had UserID 502 (as on the older iMacs) it > would have “Read & Write” privileges on the relevant folders and so saving > files to them would not be a problem > > Of course, without actual knowledge of the exact circumstances/details of > Matt’s setup the above can only be speculation on my part. > > > > > Anyway, good to keep the aging brain exercised ;o) > > Cheers > > > Neil > > > > On 18/05/20, 21:14, "Daniel Kerr" > <wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au on behalf of > wa...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote: > > Hi Neil / Matt > > I think sometimes it can be “OS” related as well, as each OS works > differently sometimes. > For myself, I can’t say I’ve come across this issue…..and in fact I just > tested it now. > > My laptop is UserID 501. Running 10.14.6 Mojave > On my wife’s iMac, I just created a new account for me (same username and > password), and it has UserID502. It’s running 10.12.6 (Sierra). > > I just shared in to “my” home folder from my laptop. Form Finder it > loaded fine, and when I copied and moved folders and files from my laptop to > the iMac, and via versa as well (from iMac back onto my laptop Desktop and > into other folders). All the files and folders copied correctly with no > permissions errors. Everything opened correctly and didn’t say anything about > owner permissions issues. > (Even though the iMac thinks I’m 502 and my laptop is 501)….. > > But yes,…I think it previously could have some issues. > Some of also can be Apple is (or did) move away from AFP file sharing. > They then went to SMB1 sharing,…to be more “Windows friendly” and then > recently (I think) if I remember correctly they went to SMB2 as it’s more > secure. So by default sometimes these different protocols don’t always play > well together. > (I might have my terminology slightly off, but from memory it’s something > like that. On another system I had to run a Terminal Command to re-acticate > “SMB1” to file share with an older windows computer for a client). > > Sometimes if the “shortname” is different, it can cause some network file > sharing issues, but that’s where adding in aliases works for that. But > generally as long as the shortname is the same (and password), I’ve found > they share fine,…even with different UserID numbers. Either that or I’ve just > been lucky enough to always get it working,…lol. > > Sharing is always an “interesting” thing to work through sometimes. > Different factors, different OS’es,…..always something :) > > Hope all this info helps Matt and you can get it working. > Kind regards > Daniel > > --- > Daniel Kerr > MacWizardry > > Phone: 0414 795 960 > Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> > Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> > > > **For everything Apple** > > NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion > and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of > MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of > warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information > in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission > by the author be requested. > > > On 18 May 2020, at 7:46 pm, Neil Houghton <n...@possumology.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Daniel, Hi Matt, > > > > I guess it all boils down to just what you are trying to achieve and > how you want to setup the new iMac and use it with the 2 older iMacs. > > > > As Daniel says, and as I previously mentioned, you can certainly setup > file sharing to work between different computers, different user accounts > etc. I frequently use file sharing between my account on one computer and > Georgie's account on another computer. > > > > But I have also encountered lots of problems when using different > computers where I (inadvertently) ended up with MY account having the same > login details but different User IDs on different computers - which is Matt's > current situation. > > > > It is a while since I was doing all this - so I don't remember exact > details/problems - but I think the basic problem boils down to that when the > Mac looks at ownership and permissions for a file/folder it considers each > User ID as a separate user - so if I set up the same two user accounts on two > different computers, say Admin & User, but do it in a different order on each > then I end up with the situation where User ID 501 is Admin on one computer > and User on the other computer - and vice-versa. > > > > When things go wrong you can end up with Admin seeing & owning his own > stuff on one computer but User's stuff on material that has come from the > other computer - and vice-versa - and not being able to see/access stuff that > he thinks belongs to him but now doesn't (I haven't really explained that too > well, but it is a real pain when it happens) > > > > Each computer setup works fine on its own and, when sharing, you login > using the correct details for the relevant account - so you can get access to > the account with the same user name/password but different User ID. Then if > you want to copy a document to your computer it will be given the correct > permissions with you as owner. > > > > I don't really remember but I think the problems I had may have been > either when I had a computer die and I was moving stuff from a clone to the > new computer or when I had one computer in target mode and tried to move > stuff. Not sure if it is relevant but I also use Dropbox & OneDrive to keep a > lot of user files/folders the same across different macs. > > > > Anyway, all I know is once bitten.... So now any new computer gets: > > 1 a basic admin account User ID 501 > > 2 my main user account User ID 502 > > 3 if it is a computer that Georgie will use, she > gets User ID 503! > > This consistent system seems to work for me. > > > > I am not sure exactly what Matt's setup is with regard to the different > user accounts on each iMac, how they were setup and how he uses them - but > the problems he described rang enough bells for me to deduce that his main > user account on his new iMac had a different User ID to his same account on > the older two iMacs.... > > > > > > > > > > YMMV > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > On 18/05/20, 16:59, "Daniel Kerr" > <wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au on behalf of > wa...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote: > > > > Hi Matt > > > > I haven’t followed all of this thread so someone may have mentioned > it. > > But a few things to check and adjust, as some of the later systems > changed the type of File Sharing protocols in the background. > > > > On the newer iMac, go to System Preferences - Sharing. Click on File > Sharing > > Untick File Sharing for the time being, so it’s not on. > > On the right hand side, click on “Options” Tick on Both "Share files > and folders using SMB" and “AFP" (and you can tick your account under Windows > File Sharing if you really want to as well). > > Then click Done. > > Then you should find it automatically ticks File Sharing on for you. > > > > Repeat the process on the older iMac as well. > > Then close System Preferences and restart. (Just to refresh the > settings). > > > > Then log in using either the Side bar or Go menu - Connect to > Server. - Browse. > > Log in to the other Mac, ensuring you’re using both the same name > (either Full name or shortname) and the computer password of the account > you’re logging in to. > > (You can tick the box to save this if you want to, so you don’t have > to type it all the time). > > > > You should then find you can copy files. > > The details used are important. User details as log as correct (and > different UserID) should make sharing fine. > > I share files between various computers at home, and if I share to > my son’s computer (which has a different UserID, different username and > different password). And I can log in fine with no issues moving files around > all the computers. (Most are the standand ID501 as they were all set as new, > but I have one machine that has 3 different UserID’s and I can log in to all > of them and move a file no problems. > > > > Hope that helps. > > Kind regards > > Daniel > > > > Sent from my iPhone XS > > > > --- > > Daniel Kerr > > MacWizardry > > > > Phone: 0414 795 960 > > Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> > > Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> > > > > > > **For everything Apple** > > > > NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal > opinion and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of > MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of > warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information > in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission > by the author be requested. > > > >> On 18 May 2020, at 8:52 am, Matt Falvey <mmfal...@bigpond.net.au> > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Alan, I tried the screen sharing method and I was able to get it to > work, but found it very awkward. In that to save a file to the second mac I > had to make sure that the file was visible in its location in finder and on > the screen on the first Mac, so that could be reflected on the screen of the > second. So I could then copy it from that initial finder to the storage > location on the second screen. > >> > >> What I am hoping to achieve is to be able to just be able to go Save > As and an image of the files on the HD of the second mac opens up and I can > select which folder to store the file in without having to actually go to > that Mac. > >> > >> Thanks for your help. > >> > >> Matt. > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 12:17:50 +0800 > >> From: Alan Smith <sma...@iinet.net.au> > >> To: WAMUG Mailing List <wamug@wamug.org.au> > >> Subject: Re: iMac not connecting to other iMac's > >> Message-ID: <0159a081-97ca-42ba-9c39-ba4a48f97...@iinet.net.au> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Hi Matt > >> > >> Have you read the official Apple help file to ?Share the screen of > another Mac?? > >> > >> https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/mac-help/mh14066/mac > >> > >> I also have three Macs of various vintages. Initially I a few > problems with stability with the 3 Macs all sharing at the same time. Works > perfectly with any combination of two. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Alan > >> > >> > >>> On 15 May 2020, at 11:54 am, Matt Falvey <mmfal...@bigpond.net.au> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, I have three iMacs (one is a recent second hand one - 2013 HD) > and I am trying to transfer documents from one to the other. All show up as > ?Shared? on the side bar of the finder window. > >>> > >>> With the two older iMacs when I click on the 2013 HD icon in Shared > the window in the next column opens and states the HD name and ?Connection > Failed? and I have the option Connect As and Share Screen. When I try Connect > As and try to connect as the Registered User using the Name and Password, it > reverts to the previous screen, with the Connection Failed. > >>> > >>> (The two older iMacs connect to each other.) > >>> > >>> If I go to the 2013 HD finder window and click on either of the other > two HD?s they connect straight away and I am able to transfer files to the > respective computer. > >>> > >>> I have also have a problem with the new 2013 HD, which was posted > last week, with hindsight this may be associated to this problem and that is > that when I try to save files to one of the other iMacs I get a message ?The > document ?xxxxx.pdf? could not be exported as ? xxxxxxx.pdf? as You don?t > have Permission. To view or change permissions select the item in the Finder > and choose File > Get Info. Which needless to say doesn?t work. > >>> > >>> So it seems as if for whatever reason the other two are communicating > inwards with the 2013 HD but something is stopping it from being able to > connect outwards. > >>> > >>> I would be grateful if anyone has any ideas or solutions to share. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Matt. > > > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> > > > > > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
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