John, There are things that I agree with you and there are things that I disagree with you. For example if PyCon participants are interested in Django and not in web2py, isn't this for Django's popularity? If so, how come the concern over popularity is uncomfortable? When selecting a framework, I do not care about its popularity, I care about how powerful it is, how easy it is, the tools it provides me and how it makes me focus on development. However many people out there looking for a framework start by popular ones. This is why we should care about the framework popularity.
On people not liking web2py.. I have been in this community for a long time I can say and I have never seen serious criticisms on the framework except for Armin Ronacher's post. [1] People just talk about web2py and this is all. For example I see people talking about DAL being different and weird however if web2py's database side would be like Django models or SQLAlchemy models they would surely say "yet another orm, do we need it?" but now it is different and way more easy to use they say "what is that? is it a joke?". We can never please everybody and I think we don't have to. Just let web2py to be there in its best form and let there be happy web2py users. As a web2py developer there are things that I don't like in the framework but I simply don't use them and go with another way. For example I don't create my forms with SQLFORM tool or FORM helper. I don't use SQLFORM because I think it is not customizable and I don't use FORM because I think writing pure html is a little bit faster than using HTML helpers. (Not using HTML helpers is my principle, not something related to web2py). Yet what do I do for improving SQLFORM? Nothing. I just have couple of ideas but I just have and I don't do anything about it. And when I'm in such situation how can I complain about SQLFORM? It is not fair. [1] http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/e772b1e29f1cf833/fa2686e1c08be941? On Mar 4, 3:23 am, John Heenan <johnmhee...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 4, 2:17 am, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: > > > Some of the answers are funny. Mostly they are consistent with one > > exception. > > Perhaps a web2py hat is better than a t-shirt. I lost mine last > > summer. :-( > > Rather flippant given that someone has gone to some effort to set up a > survey to help out Web2py and that the survey responses were careful. > > As I see it the real goal of Web2py is to become more popular than > Django. I do not see this as healthy. > > Like it or not, for whatever reasons the Python community is > interested in Django and not in Web2py, as evidenced through > democratic votes of PyCon participants about what participants want to > attend presentations about. > > Web2py says it is for the enterprise yet who can identify where the > enterprise is in web2py that will ensure its long term future and > suitability for those really unexciting and boring issues such as paid > guaranteed support? The support base is tiny and lacks well known > names. > > I did not complete the survey. I find the concern over popularity > uncomfortable. I have never come anything of a comparable nature that > gets so anguished about its 'destiny'. To me it is a bad sign and > indicates a weakness. If the goal of Linux was to be more popular than > Windows then Linux would be long dead. There is some irony related to > issues I do not want to revive and never wanted raised, that Linux > lost the PR battle with Windows not because of Linux but because of > Apache. How dumb is that from those who obsessively hammered Windows > and Windows users as dumb? > > John Heenan > > > > > On Mar 3, 10:10 am, Wobmofo <muito...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Here is the results (from only 11 responses): > > > >http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tKCyJuTYjVuWHWNFyPcZ51w&single... > > > >http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewanalytics?formkey=dEtDeUp1VFlqVnVX... > > > > In summary : > > > web2py is THE EASY web framework > > > django people don't like us > > > web2py's Authenticity and Passion is good > > > web2py's Identity (The art work, logos) need some works > > > web2py's Reputation is average > > > about half people here would wear a web2py T-Shirt > > > > For those who haven't take the survey it's not too late > > > :https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dEtDeUp1VFlqVnVXSFdO... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To post to this group, send email to web...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en.
