I agree that it's not smart to wait for Apple and I for one can continue using WO by relying on the aid of the Wonder community.
But HP and IBM are 100 billion dollar + companies. At some point to grow revenue Apple is going to have to go back into the enterprise. I just don't understand why Apple doesn't treat WO as a loss leader until they are ready to diversify from consumer related products. They could have a great story in a vibrant community with lots of different kinds of apps deployed. Just my 2 cents. Johnny On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Anjo Krank wrote: > Apple is a (what's it now 20? 30?) billion dollar company. They are (and > should be) driven by what benefits their shareholders. It *may* be that some > push from inside of Apple by some more enthusiastic developers inside of > Apple *may* result in some - er, I can hardly say the word without a giggle > fit - "speedier" release process. > > But frankly, there is ample evidence to the contrary, that no matter how much > prodding, begging or bitching will change the actual results in the slightest. > > So I'd say that waiting for them to do something is plain stupid. If you rely > on that, you're dead in the water. You just may not know it :) And btw, I'm > "stuck" with 5.3.whatever and so far had no real problem with it. > > Cheers, Anjo > > > Am 24.11.2009 um 22:20 schrieb Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists: > >> This is funny; however, from our experience, Apple does actually listen to >> us, and showing them an "i don't care" attitude will most likely result in >> us being stuck with 5.4.3 & Wonder, and Apple keeping WebObjects to >> themselves, and we'll never be synchronized with the latest and greatest >> Apple versions again, because we think we can all do it on our own. Very >> smart. >> >> With Kind Regards, >> >> Dennis Gaastra, >> >> >> >> >> On 2009-11-24, at 12:04 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: >> >>> Jesus. Apple will do what they want. Nothing you, I or anybody else says or >>> does will make much of a difference. Nor should we really care, it's not >>> like they did something useful in the last 5 years or so. >>> >>> You sound like they were some sort of rain god. "Let's show we are loyal, >>> or else HE might smite us like the flies we are!" >>> >>> Cheers, Anjo >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 24.11.2009 um 20:36 schrieb Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists: >>> >>>> If we want Apple to release new WebObjects versions, beyond 5.4.3, to the >>>> community, the worst thing we can do is talking about Windows and Linux. >>>> We should be very clear about this: if we expect Apple to do anything for >>>> us in the regard, we should be loyal to Apple by only developing and >>>> deploying on Apple equipment. Otherwise, I am afraid that 5.4.3 will be >>>> the last version we will ever see... >>>> >>>> With Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> Dennis Gaastra, >>>> Chief Technology Officer, >>>> WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc. >>>> >>>> >>>> This message contains confidential information and is intended only for >>>> the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not >>>> disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender >>>> immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and >>>> delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be >>>> guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, >>>> corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. >>>> The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions >>>> in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail >>>> transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy >>>> version. WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc., 726 - 1489 Marine Drive, West Vancouver, >>>> BC, CANADA V7T 1B8, www.webappz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2009-11-24, at 10:19 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: >>>> >>>>> 1) The customer sometimes is willing to compromise and give you a Linux >>>>> box ... deployment on Linux is as easy as Mac more-or-less. So, if they >>>>> won't let you use Mac, ask if you can use Linux.... and setup CentOS or >>>>> RHEL on it. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Project Wonder has source for Adaptors. I see IIS adaptor source in >>>>> there. No idea how good it is: >>>>> >>>>> /Wonder/Utilities/Adaptors/IIS/ >>>>> >>>>> HTH, Kieran >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 12:36 PM, Ralph Scheuer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello everybody, >>>>>> >>>>>> due to the fact that some of our customers use Windows servers, I would >>>>>> be interested how others deploy their WO apps on Windows these days... >>>>>> >>>>>> The wiki only refers to Apache when it comes to WO 5.4 on Windows and >>>>>> does not mention IIS... >>>>>> >>>>>> However, some customers need specific IIS features like Single-Sign-On >>>>>> via ActiveDirectory or do not want another web server for political >>>>>> reasons. >>>>>> >>>>>> How do you deal with that? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it still possible to use the old 5.2 adaptors (CGI or ISAPI) with >>>>>> modern IIS versions and WO 5.4? How about 64-bit-ness? >>>>>> >>>>>> Would it be possible to set up WO 5.2 and just replace all the >>>>>> frameworks with the 5.4 equivalents so that at least the CGI adaptor >>>>>> (WebObjects.exe) from the old version works? >>>>>> >>>>>> Has Apple ever released the source of the Windows adaptors so that they >>>>>> could be recompiled for 64-bit IIS? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your input. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ralph >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com >>>>>> >>>>>> This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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