On 25/11/2009, at 9:01 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote: > On 2009-11-24, at 1:52 PM, Martin Perez Barreiro wrote: > >> Apple listens to Apple. > > really, and also to our community. > >> Im not sure how much they care about WO developers right now, come on! > > believe me, they do! > >> just looking at wwdc talks you can get the feeling wo is not an important >> thin for Apple right now (at least wo developers outside Apple labs). > > Since we (Pascal) the community have created our own convention, > Apple agreed that this makes more sense has attended there. > So why duplicate?
Let's remember *why* these community conventions were organised... because Apple, who used to offer various training in WO even internationally at one stage has decided to offer very little. Now it seems to me, given their WO direction, that it was good for them to consolidate and concentrate on the frameworks - rather than the tools etc. Having a vibrant community for your technology is not the enemy you're making it out to be. Please no one dare have a Cocoa meeting as otherwise Apple won't provide their own ;-) >> My 2 cents. I raise you 3 ;-) >> kind regards, >> Martin. > > With Kind Regards, > > Dennis Gaastra, > >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Johnny Miller <jlmil...@kahalawai.com> >> wrote: >> I agree that it's not smart to wait for Apple and I for one can continue >> using WO by relying on the aid of the Wonder community. >> >> But HP and IBM are 100 billion dollar + companies. At some point to grow >> revenue Apple is going to have to go back into the enterprise. >> >> I just don't understand why Apple doesn't treat WO as a loss leader until >> they are ready to diversify from consumer related products. They could have >> a great story in a vibrant community with lots of different kinds of apps >> deployed. >> >> Just my 2 cents. >> >> Johnny >> >> >> >> On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Anjo Krank wrote: >> >>> Apple is a (what's it now 20? 30?) billion dollar company. They are (and >>> should be) driven by what benefits their shareholders. It *may* be that >>> some push from inside of Apple by some more enthusiastic developers inside >>> of Apple *may* result in some - er, I can hardly say the word without a >>> giggle fit - "speedier" release process. >>> >>> But frankly, there is ample evidence to the contrary, that no matter how >>> much prodding, begging or bitching will change the actual results in the >>> slightest. >>> >>> So I'd say that waiting for them to do something is plain stupid. If you >>> rely on that, you're dead in the water. You just may not know it :) And >>> btw, I'm "stuck" with 5.3.whatever and so far had no real problem with it. >>> >>> Cheers, Anjo >>> >>> >>> Am 24.11.2009 um 22:20 schrieb Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists: >>> >>>> This is funny; however, from our experience, Apple does actually listen to >>>> us, and showing them an "i don't care" attitude will most likely result in >>>> us being stuck with 5.4.3 & Wonder, and Apple keeping WebObjects to >>>> themselves, and we'll never be synchronized with the latest and greatest >>>> Apple versions again, because we think we can all do it on our own. Very >>>> smart. >>>> >>>> With Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> Dennis Gaastra, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2009-11-24, at 12:04 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jesus. Apple will do what they want. Nothing you, I or anybody else says >>>>> or does will make much of a difference. Nor should we really care, it's >>>>> not like they did something useful in the last 5 years or so. >>>>> >>>>> You sound like they were some sort of rain god. "Let's show we are loyal, >>>>> or else HE might smite us like the flies we are!" >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, Anjo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 24.11.2009 um 20:36 schrieb Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists: >>>>> >>>>>> If we want Apple to release new WebObjects versions, beyond 5.4.3, to >>>>>> the community, the worst thing we can do is talking about Windows and >>>>>> Linux. We should be very clear about this: if we expect Apple to do >>>>>> anything for us in the regard, we should be loyal to Apple by only >>>>>> developing and deploying on Apple equipment. Otherwise, I am afraid that >>>>>> 5.4.3 will be the last version we will ever see... >>>>>> >>>>>> With Kind Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Dennis Gaastra, >>>>>> Chief Technology Officer, >>>>>> WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This message contains confidential information and is intended only for >>>>>> the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not >>>>>> disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender >>>>>> immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and >>>>>> delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be >>>>>> guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be >>>>>> intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or >>>>>> contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any >>>>>> errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a >>>>>> result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please >>>>>> request a hard-copy version. WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc., 726 - 1489 Marine >>>>>> Drive, West Vancouver, BC, CANADA V7T 1B8, www.webappz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2009-11-24, at 10:19 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) The customer sometimes is willing to compromise and give you a Linux >>>>>>> box ... deployment on Linux is as easy as Mac more-or-less. So, if they >>>>>>> won't let you use Mac, ask if you can use Linux.... and setup CentOS or >>>>>>> RHEL on it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) Project Wonder has source for Adaptors. I see IIS adaptor source in >>>>>>> there. No idea how good it is: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /Wonder/Utilities/Adaptors/IIS/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH, Kieran >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 12:36 PM, Ralph Scheuer wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello everybody, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> due to the fact that some of our customers use Windows servers, I >>>>>>>> would be interested how others deploy their WO apps on Windows these >>>>>>>> days... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The wiki only refers to Apache when it comes to WO 5.4 on Windows and >>>>>>>> does not mention IIS... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, some customers need specific IIS features like Single-Sign-On >>>>>>>> via ActiveDirectory or do not want another web server for political >>>>>>>> reasons. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How do you deal with that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is it still possible to use the old 5.2 adaptors (CGI or ISAPI) with >>>>>>>> modern IIS versions and WO 5.4? How about 64-bit-ness? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would it be possible to set up WO 5.2 and just replace all the >>>>>>>> frameworks with the 5.4 equivalents so that at least the CGI adaptor >>>>>>>> (WebObjects.exe) from the old version works? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Has Apple ever released the source of the Windows adaptors so that >>>>>>>> they could be recompiled for 64-bit IIS? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for your input. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>>>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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