Does all your customers are on the same server(s) and database(s)? You might want to go the virtualization side to isolate customers...
> Lots of questions... I need to do a lot more research to find solutions... > > I have clients that require a set up where if my business no longer wants to > continue with their account can move to a system that allows easy > configuration with minimal set up and installation... Embedded Frameworks, > Database Migration, Filesystem paths and permissions, JVM and WODeployment > classes.... > > Gino > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> >> Date: 12 December 2011 12:58:28 GMT >> To: Gino Pacitti <ginok...@mac.com> >> Cc: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> >> Subject: Re: Server Question >> >> >> Le 2011-12-12 à 05:55, Gino Pacitti a écrit : >> >>> Whats the set up with the Linux system you use.. >> >> CentOS 5.5 with Xen. Xen is a free virtualizer and it solid (never had a VM >> going down for no reasons in the last two years). Performance is not as >> great as VMWare, but hey it's free :-). I do everything by command line >> except managing Xen VM instances because I do it just a couple of time per >> year and I don't remember the commands. Be aware that I did some I/O tests >> and on virtual services like Linode, I/O can be half as slow as "bare metal" >> performance, so if your database is going to be big, it might be a good >> difference. >> >> But really, you need to find what you need. Does the app do a lot of >> database transactions? Does fail over or load balancing is required? Does >> your apps needs access to the file system to store files? Does your >> customers are ok with you having their data on servers that you don't own? >> Do you have a SLA with your customers? What is the SLA of your provider(s)? >> >>> Whats the hardware, OS Version, Admin Tools , Xen - I would be interested >>> to learn more so that I can work out solutions.. maybe dedicated server is >>> the way to go with Linux ?? >>> >>> Gino >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> From: Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> >>>> Date: 12 December 2011 10:52:28 GMT >>>> To: Gino Pacitti <ginok...@mac.com> >>>> Cc: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> >>>> Subject: Re: Server Question >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 2011-12-12 à 05:43, Gino Pacitti a écrit : >>>> >>>>> Yes.. I had similar questions as I am a bit concerned about Apples long >>>>> term plans for Server software etc… >>>> >>>> And that the Mac Pro was last updated in August 2010. The iMac with the i7 >>>> is faster than a Mac Pro for some tasks, that's bad when a $1800 machine >>>> is faster than a $2800 machine, that don't even have a screen. >>>> >>>> Anyway, since Apple killed the Xserve and seeing how they downsized Lion >>>> Server, for long-term support I wouldn't go with OS X. Sure, it can be >>>> easier to manage… if you have a really basic setup. If you have a complex >>>> Apache setup, you can't manage it with Server Admin anyway. And Linux do >>>> have a couple of GUI apps to manage services, which that you can run >>>> remotely by X11 (I do this to manage Xen on a Linux box). >>>> >>>>> This is an excerpt from an enquiry email I sent... >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for contacting us. >>>>>>>>> Yes, we are still offering virtualised Mac OS X Server. >>>>>>>>> By using Mac Pro's in combination with Vmware vSphere we are able to >>>>>>>>> offer >>>>>>>>> the same level of quality and even availability. >>>>> >>>>> G >>>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> >>>>>> From: Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> >>>>>> Date: 12 December 2011 10:36:54 GMT >>>>>> To: Jérémy DE ROYER [INGENCYS] <jeremy.dero...@ingencys.net> >>>>>> Cc: Gino Pacitti <ginok...@mac.com>, WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List >>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Server Question >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 2011-12-12 à 04:12, Jérémy DE ROYER [INGENCYS] a écrit : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> XCloud wrote >>>>>>> "Powered by newest Apple’s Mac Pro and Xserve Hardware, VMware vSphere >>>>>>> and Mac OS X Lion Server." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We use mac pro for our servers. I think they do the same as Xserve >>>>>>> doesn't exist anymore, even if they have old ones… >>>>>> >>>>>> VMWare vSphere (v.5) only runs on a Xserve (and only to a specific >>>>>> version of the Xserve), so unless they make it to work on a Mac Pro, >>>>>> it's a dead product. Unless you get your own Mac Pro or Mac Mini, I >>>>>> wouldn't go with a OS X solution. And honestly, why OS X Server if it's >>>>>> only to host WO apps and databases? I would use OS X Server only if you >>>>>> want to use the other services (iCal Server, mail, managed profiles, >>>>>> etc.). >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, they write: >>>>>> >>>>>> "VMware vSphere is fully supported server virtualization solution that >>>>>> is certified to run on bare Apple Mac Pro and Xserve." >>>>>> >>>>>> But AFAIK, when vSphere 5 was released with official OS X support, they >>>>>> said it only runs on the latest Xserve and could only run Snow Leopard >>>>>> Server, and xCloud supports Lion Server. And I remember that people on >>>>>> the MacEnterprise list tried to get Lion working on vSphere and it >>>>>> didn't work. So either they have a special build of vSphere or it's, >>>>>> sorry to say this, bullshit :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, before signing on if you want to use a OS X virtualization >>>>>> service, you should ask questions about long-term support… which can be >>>>>> a difficult to answer to, because it's Apple and we don't know if they >>>>>> will stop doing Mac Pro... >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jérémy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Le 12 déc. 2011 à 10:07, Gino Pacitti a écrit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank... I was looking at this company... http://xcloud.me/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They seem to virtualized Lion server.... they seem to be still using >>>>>>>> Xserve though... ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gino >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> >>>>>>>>> Date: 12 December 2011 03:25:51 GMT >>>>>>>>> To: Gino Pacitti <ginok...@mac.com> >>>>>>>>> Cc: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Server Question >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BTW, with 200-300 users per instance with 20 instances, you should >>>>>>>>> look at load balancing. I guess that having that number of users is >>>>>>>>> for an important app, so load balancing (or at least fail over) is >>>>>>>>> something to look at… VMWare ESX or XenServer could be an option. >>>>>>>>> With ESX it can move a VM live(!) to another host if one of your >>>>>>>>> server host is down. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ah... so what do think is the best platform for WebObjects ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What sort of RAM, CPU and OS for about 20 Instances with around 200 >>>>>>>>>> - 300 users per instance... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> G >>>>>>>>>> On 9 Dec 2011, at 19:05, Pascal Robert wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's an answer than even ex-Apple people won't give… But I think >>>>>>>>>>> it was Oracle for database and Solaris as the OS (which would >>>>>>>>>>> explain why they don't even need Xserve and stopped building them). >>>>>>>>>>> I have heard SAP is involved for the Apple Store but those are just >>>>>>>>>>> rumors. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi ... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What server and OS are used by Apple for iTunes and Apple Store... >>>>>>>>>>>> What sort of configuration is used do you think? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> G >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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