Currently yes.. all on the same server and share resources...
Are you talking about getting a Intel Server and setting up my own
Virtualization - and then portion them off by account?
Gino
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From: Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca>
Date: 12 December 2011 13:32:32 GMT
To: Gino Pacitti <ginok...@mac.com>
Cc: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>
Subject: Re: Server Question
Does all your customers are on the same server(s) and database(s)?
You might want to go the virtualization side to isolate customers...
Lots of questions... I need to do a lot more research to find
solutions...
I have clients that require a set up where if my business no longer
wants to continue with their account can move to a system that
allows easy configuration with minimal set up and installation...
Embedded Frameworks, Database Migration, Filesystem paths and
permissions, JVM and WODeployment classes....
Gino
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From: Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca>
Date: 12 December 2011 12:58:28 GMT
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Subject: Re: Server Question
Le 2011-12-12 à 05:55, Gino Pacitti a écrit :
Whats the set up with the Linux system you use..
CentOS 5.5 with Xen. Xen is a free virtualizer and it solid (never
had a VM going down for no reasons in the last two years).
Performance is not as great as VMWare, but hey it's free :-). I do
everything by command line except managing Xen VM instances
because I do it just a couple of time per year and I don't
remember the commands. Be aware that I did some I/O tests and on
virtual services like Linode, I/O can be half as slow as "bare
metal" performance, so if your database is going to be big, it
might be a good difference.
But really, you need to find what you need. Does the app do a lot
of database transactions? Does fail over or load balancing is
required? Does your apps needs access to the file system to store
files? Does your customers are ok with you having their data on
servers that you don't own? Do you have a SLA with your customers?
What is the SLA of your provider(s)?
Whats the hardware, OS Version, Admin Tools , Xen - I would be
interested to learn more so that I can work out solutions.. maybe
dedicated server is the way to go with Linux ??
Gino
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Date: 12 December 2011 10:52:28 GMT
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Subject: Re: Server Question
Le 2011-12-12 à 05:43, Gino Pacitti a écrit :
Yes.. I had similar questions as I am a bit concerned about
Apples long term plans for Server software etc…
And that the Mac Pro was last updated in August 2010. The iMac
with the i7 is faster than a Mac Pro for some tasks, that's bad
when a $1800 machine is faster than a $2800 machine, that don't
even have a screen.
Anyway, since Apple killed the Xserve and seeing how they
downsized Lion Server, for long-term support I wouldn't go with
OS X. Sure, it can be easier to manage… if you have a really
basic setup. If you have a complex Apache setup, you can't
manage it with Server Admin anyway. And Linux do have a couple
of GUI apps to manage services, which that you can run remotely
by X11 (I do this to manage Xen on a Linux box).
This is an excerpt from an enquiry email I sent...
Thank you for contacting us.
Yes, we are still offering virtualised Mac OS X Server.
By using Mac Pro's in combination with Vmware vSphere we
are able to
offer
the same level of quality and even availability.
G
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From: Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca>
Date: 12 December 2011 10:36:54 GMT
To: Jérémy DE ROYER [INGENCYS] <jeremy.dero...@ingencys.net>
Cc: Gino Pacitti <ginok...@mac.com>, WebObjects-Dev Mailing
List List <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>
Subject: Re: Server Question
Le 2011-12-12 à 04:12, Jérémy DE ROYER [INGENCYS] a écrit :
Hi,
XCloud wrote
"Powered by newest Apple’s Mac Pro and Xserve Hardware,
VMware vSphere and Mac OS X Lion Server."
We use mac pro for our servers. I think they do the same as
Xserve doesn't exist anymore, even if they have old ones…
VMWare vSphere (v.5) only runs on a Xserve (and only to a
specific version of the Xserve), so unless they make it to
work on a Mac Pro, it's a dead product. Unless you get your
own Mac Pro or Mac Mini, I wouldn't go with a OS X solution.
And honestly, why OS X Server if it's only to host WO apps and
databases? I would use OS X Server only if you want to use the
other services (iCal Server, mail, managed profiles, etc.).
Also, they write:
"VMware vSphere is fully supported server virtualization
solution that is certified to run on bare Apple Mac Pro and
Xserve."
But AFAIK, when vSphere 5 was released with official OS X
support, they said it only runs on the latest Xserve and could
only run Snow Leopard Server, and xCloud supports Lion Server.
And I remember that people on the MacEnterprise list tried to
get Lion working on vSphere and it didn't work. So either they
have a special build of vSphere or it's, sorry to say this,
bullshit :-)
Anyway, before signing on if you want to use a OS X
virtualization service, you should ask questions about long-
term support… which can be a difficult to answer to, because
it's Apple and we don't know if they will stop doing Mac Pro...
Jérémy
Le 12 déc. 2011 à 10:07, Gino Pacitti a écrit :
Thank... I was looking at this company... http://xcloud.me/
They seem to virtualized Lion server.... they seem to be
still using Xserve though... ?
Gino
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Date: 12 December 2011 03:25:51 GMT
To: Gino Pacitti <ginok...@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: Server Question
BTW, with 200-300 users per instance with 20 instances, you
should look at load balancing. I guess that having that
number of users is for an important app, so load balancing
(or at least fail over) is something to look at… VMWare
ESX or XenServer could be an option. With ESX it can move a
VM live(!) to another host if one of your server host is
down.
Ah... so what do think is the best platform for WebObjects ?
What sort of RAM, CPU and OS for about 20 Instances with
around 200 - 300 users per instance...
G
On 9 Dec 2011, at 19:05, Pascal Robert wrote:
That's an answer than even ex-Apple people won't give…
But I think it was Oracle for database and Solaris as the
OS (which would explain why they don't even need Xserve
and stopped building them). I have heard SAP is involved
for the Apple Store but those are just rumors.
Hi ...
What server and OS are used by Apple for iTunes and
Apple Store... What sort of configuration is used do you
think?
G
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