Le 2011-12-12 à 05:43, Gino Pacitti a écrit : > Yes.. I had similar questions as I am a bit concerned about Apples long term > plans for Server software etc…
And that the Mac Pro was last updated in August 2010. The iMac with the i7 is faster than a Mac Pro for some tasks, that's bad when a $1800 machine is faster than a $2800 machine, that don't even have a screen. Anyway, since Apple killed the Xserve and seeing how they downsized Lion Server, for long-term support I wouldn't go with OS X. Sure, it can be easier to manage… if you have a really basic setup. If you have a complex Apache setup, you can't manage it with Server Admin anyway. And Linux do have a couple of GUI apps to manage services, which that you can run remotely by X11 (I do this to manage Xen on a Linux box). > This is an excerpt from an enquiry email I sent... > >>>>> Thank you for contacting us. >>>>> Yes, we are still offering virtualised Mac OS X Server. >>>>> By using Mac Pro's in combination with Vmware vSphere we are able to >>>>> offer >>>>> the same level of quality and even availability. > > G > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> >> Date: 12 December 2011 10:36:54 GMT >> To: Jérémy DE ROYER [INGENCYS] <jeremy.dero...@ingencys.net> >> Cc: Gino Pacitti <ginok...@mac.com>, WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List >> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> >> Subject: Re: Server Question >> >> >> Le 2011-12-12 à 04:12, Jérémy DE ROYER [INGENCYS] a écrit : >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> XCloud wrote >>> "Powered by newest Apple’s Mac Pro and Xserve Hardware, VMware vSphere and >>> Mac OS X Lion Server." >>> >>> We use mac pro for our servers. I think they do the same as Xserve doesn't >>> exist anymore, even if they have old ones… >> >> VMWare vSphere (v.5) only runs on a Xserve (and only to a specific version >> of the Xserve), so unless they make it to work on a Mac Pro, it's a dead >> product. Unless you get your own Mac Pro or Mac Mini, I wouldn't go with a >> OS X solution. And honestly, why OS X Server if it's only to host WO apps >> and databases? I would use OS X Server only if you want to use the other >> services (iCal Server, mail, managed profiles, etc.). >> >> Also, they write: >> >> "VMware vSphere is fully supported server virtualization solution that is >> certified to run on bare Apple Mac Pro and Xserve." >> >> But AFAIK, when vSphere 5 was released with official OS X support, they said >> it only runs on the latest Xserve and could only run Snow Leopard Server, >> and xCloud supports Lion Server. And I remember that people on the >> MacEnterprise list tried to get Lion working on vSphere and it didn't work. >> So either they have a special build of vSphere or it's, sorry to say this, >> bullshit :-) >> >> Anyway, before signing on if you want to use a OS X virtualization service, >> you should ask questions about long-term support… which can be a difficult >> to answer to, because it's Apple and we don't know if they will stop doing >> Mac Pro... >> >>> Jérémy >>> >>> Le 12 déc. 2011 à 10:07, Gino Pacitti a écrit : >>> >>>> Thank... I was looking at this company... http://xcloud.me/ >>>> >>>> They seem to virtualized Lion server.... they seem to be still using >>>> Xserve though... ? >>>> >>>> Gino >>>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>>> From: Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> >>>>> Date: 12 December 2011 03:25:51 GMT >>>>> To: Gino Pacitti <ginok...@mac.com> >>>>> Cc: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: Server Question >>>>> >>>>> BTW, with 200-300 users per instance with 20 instances, you should look >>>>> at load balancing. I guess that having that number of users is for an >>>>> important app, so load balancing (or at least fail over) is something to >>>>> look at… VMWare ESX or XenServer could be an option. With ESX it can >>>>> move a VM live(!) to another host if one of your server host is down. >>>>> >>>>>> Ah... so what do think is the best platform for WebObjects ? >>>>>> >>>>>> What sort of RAM, CPU and OS for about 20 Instances with around 200 - >>>>>> 300 users per instance... >>>>>> >>>>>> G >>>>>> On 9 Dec 2011, at 19:05, Pascal Robert wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That's an answer than even ex-Apple people won't give… But I think it >>>>>>> was Oracle for database and Solaris as the OS (which would explain why >>>>>>> they don't even need Xserve and stopped building them). I have heard >>>>>>> SAP is involved for the Apple Store but those are just rumors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What server and OS are used by Apple for iTunes and Apple Store... >>>>>>>> What sort of configuration is used do you think? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> G >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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