> > Le 2012-03-27 à 19:30, Mike Schrag a écrit : > >>>>> "I think we should use the funds to pay people to fix issues that the >>>>> majority of users are having. The issues will be voted by the >>>>> community and the most voted issues will become the highest >>>>> priorities." >>>> >>>> >>>> That is not how Wonder was created and now how I expect that it will >>>> continue. If you have a problem, learn how to fix it. Then put it in >>>> Wonder. >>> >>> In the past, we had Apple sponsorship and most of the big additions to >>> Wonder between 2007 and 2010 came from Apple⦠We don't have that >>> sponsorship anymore, and personally I don't think we will survive if we >>> don't pay people for major stuff. I don't think we will survive anyway, >>> but that's another story⦠>> Apple funded a VERY small percentage of the contributions to Wonder. >> Almost all of the contributions I made came from mDimension donating >> their time, bandwidth, and hardware for the good of the community. >> Frankly, if Apple hadn't funded the things they did, I would have done >> them anyway, because I just enjoyed making things. >> >> This approach of paying for fixes seems like you're just going to end up >> with a collection of bounty hunters instead of a community. On top of >> that, there's no way you're going to be able to afford to pay the market >> cost for this work. mDimension easily donated a couple hundred thousand >> dollars of time if you applied their real hourly rate to the work. So on >> top of encouraging people to only give if they get paid, they're going >> to be paid crap, so why would anyone even bother? >> >> I really don't think things are stagnant because of the lack of money. >> They're stagnant because the remaining people in the community don't >> care enough to contribute. I don't buy any of the "I don't know how to >> do X" or "I don't have time to do X." You have to want it. I didn't know >> how to write nearly any of what was in WOLips before I started working >> on WOLips, and likewise with Wonder. I learned WebObjects working on >> Wonder. I'm would wager that everyone who worked on Wonder was in the >> same category. Contribution is also positive reinforcement. The coolest >> times in Wonder for me were always when one person contributing got >> someone else energized to contribute and amazing things were made. >> >> The real question is: Who is currently NOT contributing because they're >> just waiting for a payday to do so? If you're perfectly happy enjoying >> the fruits of the community while not giving back to the community, look >> in the mirror for the reason it's dying. Either give a shit, or don't be >> sad that it dies. > > I think reasons don't contribute are: > > 1) Some just don't care and are leachers. Yes, people you can blame me to > saying that. But anyway, any community are like that, no community have > everyone contributing, it's just plain impossible. > > 2) People are afraid of contributing. That's one of the reasons of why I > added the "integration" branch in Wonder, and doing a "Contributing to the > community" talk at WOWODC. > > 3) People don't have time. That's the answer I got from many WO experts. > And I can't do anything about that. > > So I really don't know how we can improve the situationâ¦
Hi Pascal and list, FWIW, 4) The inability to contribute additions to wonder because some people are bound by their employer's concerns over ownership/licensing of intellectual property. Example, my 9-5 uses WO extensively, Wonder a little. I have some frameworks which I think may be worthwhile additions to wonder, and have verbal signoff to contribute one of them (if the community thinks it's worthwhile of course!). It can sometimes be a slow process. I was hoping to discuss this (process and frameworks) with everyone at WOWODC. I understand 4 does not necessarily obviate 1, 2, and 3. Matt _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
