Alan Burlison wrote:
Darren J Moffat wrote:
1) Is hub definitely part of the new URL names ? What happens if I go
to:
http://www.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+zfs/zfsbootFAQ
You'll get a 404.
Does hub have to be part of the new name ?
Yes, because the opensolaris.org and www.opensolaris.org hostnames are
already in use by the current portal and Jive, which both live inside
the same webserver. We'll be turning off the portal part, but Jive will
be remaining.
That isn't a useful answer. I really don't care wither they are in the
same webserver or the same whatever. You need to think about how this
looks - URLs are important and it is really important that the expected
things works. That means http://www. should work.
Why hub ? Rather than wiki ?
Because we don't want to name the community pages after the technology
that we used to implement them,
Except that is exactly what you are doing. Where as the existing URLs
don't reveal any underlying technology.
Also, the new site is
fairly tightly structured and access controlled whereas wikis are
usually a bit more free-form. We could well provide a more
'traditional' wiki at some point in the future, so we'd like to keep the
wiki hostname free for that eventuality.
That is good reason for not choosing wiki.opensolaris.org
2) Why can't we just keep the old names ? Is XWiki not flexible
enough that we have to have these new less hierarchical looking names
with + signs in them ?
No, that's just the way it works.
That answer tells me it isn't flexible enough for us to keep the old
names, or you don't know how to make it do so or don't care to do so.
Even with the redirection in place people will still see these URLs with
artefacts in them that show that it is xwiki being used. Or are you
saying that the '+' isn't an xwiki thing but something the website team
has choosen to use ?
3) Do we really have to have /bin/ in the URL - seeing that just gives
me a bad feeling - I'm sure it is safe but it just feels wrong and
sets of alarm bells in my head.
It isn't really unsafe as the '/bin/' part isn't actually a traditional
That is what I expected but it still gives me a bad feeling.
cgi-bin directory, it is used to identify that the URL needs to be
handed off to Struts for processing. It *could* be changed [1], but
we'd have to write our own default servlet, plus making a number of
other changes. We are trying to run as 'vanilla' XWiki install as we
can, so we will be sticking to the defaults as far as possible.
[1] http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ShortURLs
In other words, no we don't have to have it but you are choosing to keep
it there - regardless of how it makes the urls look. Also it appears to
invalidate your answer to 1) above because this is a URL that is an
artefact of the implementation technology.
Note I'm am purposely not looking at xwiki documentation because I'm
trying to look at this from the view above the implementation
technology. Seeing how things change to the users that really don't
care how the site is implemented but do care about easily finding
information, that sometimes means simple to guess URLs.
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Darren J Moffat
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