Darren J Moffat wrote:
Does hub have to be part of the new name ?
Yes, because the opensolaris.org and www.opensolaris.org hostnames are
already in use by the current portal and Jive, which both live inside
the same webserver. We'll be turning off the portal part, but Jive will
be remaining.
That isn't a useful answer. I really don't care wither they are in the
same webserver or the same whatever. You need to think about how this
looks - URLs are important and it is really important that the expected
things works. That means http://www. should work.
We have to deal with the realities of the existing infrastructure. And
the www.opensolaris.org name still be will be used for Jive, and for the
redirects that the community asked us to provide from the old pages to
the new ones.
Why hub ? Rather than wiki ?
Because we don't want to name the community pages after the technology
that we used to implement them,
Except that is exactly what you are doing. Where as the existing URLs
don't reveal any underlying technology.
We aren't naming the site after the technology. The URLs are a
different matter, as they are governed by the package we are using.
2) Why can't we just keep the old names ? Is XWiki not flexible
enough that we have to have these new less hierarchical looking names
with + signs in them ?
No, that's just the way it works.
That answer tells me it isn't flexible enough for us to keep the old
names, or you don't know how to make it do so or don't care to do so.
I don't know of any Wiki package that allows you complete flexibility in
how URLs are formed. And as I said before, we are trying as far as
possible to use a 'vanilla' XWiki install.
Even with the redirection in place people will still see these URLs with
artefacts in them that show that it is xwiki being used. Or are you
saying that the '+' isn't an xwiki thing but something the website team
has choosen to use ?
'+' is how XWiki encodes spaces in page names, as per the w3
recommendations [1].
cgi-bin directory, it is used to identify that the URL needs to be
handed off to Struts for processing. It *could* be changed [1], but
we'd have to write our own default servlet, plus making a number of
other changes. We are trying to run as 'vanilla' XWiki install as we
can, so we will be sticking to the defaults as far as possible.
[1] http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ShortURLs
In other words, no we don't have to have it but you are choosing to keep
it there - regardless of how it makes the urls look. Also it appears to
invalidate your answer to 1) above because this is a URL that is an
artefact of the implementation technology.
The site name and the syntax of the URLs under it aren't the same thing.
Note I'm am purposely not looking at xwiki documentation because I'm
trying to look at this from the view above the implementation
technology. Seeing how things change to the users that really don't
care how the site is implemented but do care about easily finding
information, that sometimes means simple to guess URLs.
The pages have been structured to make the names relatively easy to guess.
[1] http://www.w3.org/Addressing/URL/4_URI_Recommentations.html
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Alan Burlison
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