Dariusz, you make a good point about the criterion for ranking journals, but my point still stands that you wnn't have a high quality set of papers without strict criteria for rejection. I've reviewed enough papers to know what tends to get rejected.
I don't see how a such a specialized focus as beneficial or "our community" as a particularly strong force for driving citations. Surely WikiSym has an equally specialized focus and the same community behind it. As for disciplines that do not count conference papers, I cannot comment because my discipline (Computer Science) looks at top tier conference publications in a similar way to journal publications. However, I'd argue that anyone who does not value a publication purely because the venue is called a "conference" regardless of the impact/restrictiveness is making a mistake. I've seen people include the acceptance rates on their CV to avoid this situation. -Aaron On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl>wrote: > hi Aaron, > > I think that the rejection-rate principle does not apply to the "highly > rated" criterion for journals, when JCR/ISI (the only ranking that matters > at present) criteria are considered. The key and predominant criterion is > the number of citations in the journals, which are already in the ranking. > > Keep in mind that in some disciplines conference paper do not matter AT > ALL (they are not counted as anything in career advancement). > > One source of competitive advantage of a wiki-centered journal is its > specialized focus. Both writers and readers on wiki-phenomena are likely to > consider a wiki-specialized journal as a good venue of publishing/reading. > Also, with our community as a driving force, it is conceivable that the > journal would have a relatively high readership (and consequently, citation > numbers). > > best, > > dj > > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Aaron Halfaker > <aaron.halfa...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> "Highly rated" is an interesting property. One of the ways that a >> publication venue becomes highly rated is by being highly restrictive. In >> fact, the primary measurement of the quality of a publication venue is the >> acceptance rate of that conference. >> >> WikiSym is not considered highly rated because a high proportion of the >> submitted papers are accepted. Would a wiki journal be more restrictive in >> order to gain a "highly rated" status? >> >> I think it's interesting to ask why WikiSym needs improvement and why >> attendance has been falling. If a WikiSym is a wiki conference that is >> struggling to maintain participation, how might a wiki journal surmount >> such trouble? Assuming that the answer to my question above is "yes, the >> wiki-journal would be more restrictive", how would such a journal gather >> more submissions than an established conference like WikiSym -- enough to >> both produce regular issues and maintain a high rejection rate? >> >> -Aaron >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Joe Corneli <holtzerman...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Aaron Halfaker <aaron.halfa...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > To state it plainly, why do we need yet another publication venue >>> specific to wiki software? >>> >>> I think people want a "highly rated" publication venue. Also, >>> >>> <<The reason why WikiSym is changing is for the same reason. People are >>> not going to the conference! I think the attendance has been below >>> 100 for some time now. That's not a sustainable number for the amount >>> of work that goes into organizing a conference.>> >>> >>> But what you're saying suggests that maybe work should be done to >>> improve existing venues rather than creating a new one. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> >> > > > -- > > __________________________ > dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak > profesor zarządzania > kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego > i centrum badawczego CROW > Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego > http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >
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