No James, redirects do not have templates or categories. Back to the case of the African plum, I have created an English label for the Wikidata item, so that when I seach the English Wikipedia and choose the option "everything", this Wikidata item will show up: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=all&search=african+plum&fulltext=Search
If I had created a redirect in the English Wikipedia for "African plum" to "Plum", than of course that is what would come up. In this case the search is giving me more precise information. The problem with redirects when they aren't used as synonyms is that they direct readers to something else that they might or might not recognize as being something else. Within one project this may not be a problem, but going from Korean into English or the other way around you could become easily misled by the redirect rabbit-hole. On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:55 PM, James Heald <j.he...@ucl.ac.uk> wrote: > But Gerard templates and the categories used on the *redirect* will be > specific to the redirect, so can draw quite happily from the item > corresponding to the redirect. > > And templates and categories used on the *article* will be specific to the > article, so can draw quite happily from the item corresponding to the > article. > > I don't see where the problem is ? > > -- James. > > > On 19/10/2014 21:44, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > >> Hoi, >> I am very comfortable with items not having articles. I am very >> comfortable >> with items that have one or more articles. >> >> When you suggest that Wikidata items link to redirects, there are many >> assumptions that break down. You cannot longer assume what the templates, >> the categories are about. They are NOT necessarily about the article, they >> may be about all kinds of everything. >> >> The notion that Wikidata is subservient to Wikipedia can be considered but >> WHAT Wikipedia and why should Wikidata be subservient to the English >> Wikipedia ? >> >> Some people "representing" the English Wikipedia make demands however, >> Wikidata can provide services the English Wikipedia is not able to >> provide. >> Things like providing search results based on information from Wikidata. >> Why is this not even considered? >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> >> On 19 October 2014 18:54, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> david, i think you hit the major point here. at the end of the day it >>> is a document management problem, and the idea to recombine contents >>> is followed by some extensions, like books extension. would it make >>> sense to use wikidata for such tasks as well? i am not convinced that >>> it makes sense to go onto a sentence level, but paragraphs do imo make >>> sense. alone because e.g. the german wikipedia often stores an item in >>> a paragraph, what is stored in an article in the english wikipedia. >>> redirects are managed in de:wp, and there is no notion of storing >>> wrong redirects to cover typo's. >>> >>> of course there are some wikidata purists, like jane and gerard, who >>> seem to be a little imprisoned in the original semantic mediawiki >>> notation that every entry needs to be an article. one may even >>> consider this opinion as correct in a greenfield approach where the >>> contents is created from scratch. but - unfortunately this is not the >>> case. wikidata came after wikipedia, and i consider it a fundamental >>> failure of wikidata to not address the issue. >>> >>> rupert >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:03 AM, David Cuenca <dacu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> As Wikidata grows this problem will become more significant. Using >>>> >>> redirects >>> >>>> doesn't seem a sustainable approach, but it will be hard to find better >>>> >>> ones >>> >>>> considering the number of people involved and the investment in the >>>> >>> current >>> >>>> platform. >>>> >>>> The biggest challenge will be to convince Wikipedians to break free of >>>> >>> the >>> >>>> "article box". There is no reason to limit oneself to articles when >>>> there >>>> can be smaller building blocks that can be recombined in different >>>> >>> articles >>> >>>> with as much detail level as needed. >>>> >>>> Maybe after Commons there should be also a "Wikidata for Wikipedia >>>> >>> content", >>> >>>> where each article section or sentence is represented by an item that >>>> >>> can be >>> >>>> displayed in several articles or translated into different languages. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Micru >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Derric Atzrott >>>> <datzr...@alizeepathology.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thought I'd throw in my opinion on the matter. After reading this >>>>> >>>> thread >>> >>>> I think that I agree with the folks who believe that Wikidata items >>>>> >>>> should >>> >>>> be able to specify a Wikipedia article that is a redirect as a sitelink >>>>> >>>> to >>> >>>> Wikipedia. >>>>> >>>>> Its by no means an ideal solution, but I can't see any problems that it >>>>> causes and I do see problems that it fixes. If there are problems /for >>>>> Wikidata/ that allowing Wikidata items to link to Wikipedia redirects >>>>> causes, I would be happy to hear them. I imagine someone likely tried >>>>> to point some out, but I just didn't quite grasp them. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Derric Atzrott >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Etiamsi omnes, ego non >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >
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