Hi Savithri, I agree -- I think this additional option will expand participation in our project.
If you like, you can test and see how this WYSIWYG editing works by visiting the MediaWiki+FCKeditor project. Create an new account on this wiki and test the editor by clicking the edit tab using the sandbox on this wiki: http://mediawiki.fckeditor.net/Sandbox Cheers Wayne 2009/9/27 Savithri Singh <singh.savit...@gmail.com> > Dear Wayne, > > Then I see no reason why we should hesitate to switch. WE `are only > providing an additional option. > > Cheers, > Savithri > > 2009/9/27 Wayne Mackintosh <mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> > > Good qeustion Savithri >> >> The FCKeditor extension for Mediawiki converts the text into wiki syntax >> :-), which means that users can still continue editing in the conventional >> way. >> >> Cheers >> Wayne >> >> 2009/9/27 Savithri Singh <singh.savit...@gmail.com> >> >>> Dear Wayne, >>> >>> WYSIWYG will definitely be useful for people who are diffident of working >>> with syntax - it will help more people to contribute to WE. >>> >>> Tell me something - if a page is created via WYSIWYG then later can we >>> edit it our conventional way? Then even embedding templates can ebe done. >>> >>> Allowing WYSIWYG is a great initiative. >>> >>> Savithri >>> >>> >>> 2009/9/27 NELLIE DEUTSCH <nellie.muller.deut...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> Hello Everyone, >>>> >>>> Well, since my interest lies in active learning and engaging learners, I >>>> would like invite those with common interests to join me in brainstorming >>>> to >>>> find ways to engage members of the community. >>>> >>>> Warm wishes, >>>> Nellie Deutsch >>>> Sharing is Caring! >>>> Doctoral Student >>>> Educational Leadership >>>> Curriculum and Instruction >>>> Get ready for CO10: http://connecting-online.ning.com/ >>>> Free online workshops on WikiEducator: >>>> http://www.wikieducator.org/Workshops >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>> mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Nellie >>>>> >>>>> Would always welcome another 11,000 active members :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Wayne >>>>> >>>>> 2009/9/27 NELLIE DEUTSCH <nellie.muller.deut...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>>> Wayne, >>>>>> You are very modest about the amount of work you put into making >>>>>> things happen on WE. I would like to invite the over 11,000 members of >>>>>> WikiEducator to become active participants. >>>>>> There is a great deal each of us can do to share the load and show the >>>>>> world that WE is an active community that is bringing education and >>>>>> learning >>>>>> to everyone on the planet. >>>>>> Warm wishes, >>>>>> Nellie Deutsch >>>>>> Sharing is Caring! >>>>>> Doctoral Student >>>>>> Educational Leadership >>>>>> Curriculum and Instruction >>>>>> Get ready for CO10: http://connecting-online.ning.com/ >>>>>> Free online workshops on WikiEducator: >>>>>> http://www.wikieducator.org/Workshops >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>>>> mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Nellie, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the kind words :-) -- but it's not just me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We have a sterling team of volunteer techies with folk like Jim and >>>>>>> Wen-Chen watching over smooth operations of our web sites and future >>>>>>> technology deployments, we also have a team of WikiEDTech advisers >>>>>>> plus the >>>>>>> folk over at Athabasca University preparing for the migration of the >>>>>>> servers. We have funders like the NZ Ministry of Education and Hewlett >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> are helping us spread the reach of OER across the planet. We shouldn't >>>>>>> forget our committment to transparent and democractic governance models >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> a team of 25 international open education professionals who volunteer >>>>>>> time >>>>>>> ensuring the stewardship of good governance. Above all -- the thousands >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> educators who spend hours working on OER in WikiEducator. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That said -- the independance we now have with the OER Foundation >>>>>>> (see: http://tinyurl.com/nnqg9e) gives us greater flexibility and >>>>>>> agility than was possible working under an intergovernmental agency. We >>>>>>> still have lots of work to do -- but have a very solid foundation for >>>>>>> scalable growth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our next step is to figure out the best way to implement the >>>>>>> embedding of third party media (like video, slideshows etc) and this is >>>>>>> high on our list of priorities. The question of embedding third party >>>>>>> media >>>>>>> is not so much a technical barrier, but more a question of free content >>>>>>> licensing and open file formats. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Increasingly, video hosting sites now provide functionality to tag >>>>>>> user rights -- for example Creative Commons Licenses. In an ideal >>>>>>> world, we >>>>>>> would want the capabilities for WikiEducators to have access to editable >>>>>>> versions of the video files in open file formats. We're certainly a lot >>>>>>> closer to achieving this goal today than we were a year ago. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Watch this spaces -- pretty soon we will be able to embedd video from >>>>>>> third party sites in ways which align with our community values! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Wayne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/9/27 NELLIE DEUTSCH <nellie.muller.deut...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Excellent progress, Wayne. I am very impressed by the amount of work >>>>>>>> and progress you are making to "make things happen" on WikiEducator and >>>>>>>> implementing WYSIWYG. I wonder if adding the editor would also allow >>>>>>>> publishers to embed html codes for videos. >>>>>>>> Warm wishes, >>>>>>>> Nellie Deutsch >>>>>>>> Sharing is Caring! >>>>>>>> Doctoral Student >>>>>>>> Educational Leadership >>>>>>>> Curriculum and Instruction >>>>>>>> Get ready for CO10: http://connecting-online.ning.com/ >>>>>>>> Free online workshops on WikiEducator: >>>>>>>> http://www.wikieducator.org/Workshops >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>>>>>> mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For sometime our Community has requested that we implement a >>>>>>>>> WYSIWYG editor in WikiEducator. Many teachers and educators say that >>>>>>>>> wiki >>>>>>>>> text is a barrier to participation. WikiEducator is keen to respond >>>>>>>>> to these >>>>>>>>> requests. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To date, we've been holding back on implementing rich text editing >>>>>>>>> for two reasons: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Maturity of the WYSIWYG technology (Most notably issues with >>>>>>>>> templates and large content pages) >>>>>>>>> - A reliable funding source to implement the refinements that >>>>>>>>> will be necessary for an educational wiki >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The MediaWiki+FCKeditor project has matured considerably over the >>>>>>>>> last 2 years and we believe that it is now feasible to install WYSIWYG >>>>>>>>> editing for WikiEducator. Also, with funding support from the New >>>>>>>>> Zealand >>>>>>>>> Ministry of Education we are now in a position to start work on the >>>>>>>>> implementation of refinements that will be required for educators >>>>>>>>> (for >>>>>>>>> example, pull down menus for our pedagogical templates incorporating >>>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>>> boxes for the different parameters for these templates). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We need to cater for two kinds of users: 1) Those (like myself ;-) >>>>>>>>> ) who prefer wiki syntax to rich text editing and (2) those users who >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> prefer using a WYSIWYG environment. Fortunately -- the FCKeditor >>>>>>>>> enables >>>>>>>>> users to make the choice. Even within the FCKeditor -- there is an >>>>>>>>> option to >>>>>>>>> edit using wiki text. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> NOTE: Experienced WikiEducators can continue to edit in the usual >>>>>>>>> way -- They will NOT be required to switch over to Rich Text Editing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I propose that we use a phased approach: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - *Phase 1*: Install the FCKeditor WYSIWYG editor as an >>>>>>>>> optional user preference. The editor works well for the majority >>>>>>>>> of editing >>>>>>>>> functions, however the implementation for templates is not ideal >>>>>>>>> and could >>>>>>>>> be confusing for newbies. That said, newbies do not typically >>>>>>>>> start using >>>>>>>>> templates until they are more experienced and experienced editor >>>>>>>>> will know >>>>>>>>> how to use templates should they choose to use the RTE option. >>>>>>>>> Therefore, I >>>>>>>>> think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages in holding back on >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> implementation until we get a better user interface for editing >>>>>>>>> templates. >>>>>>>>> There will be a few pages in WikiEducator where the rich text >>>>>>>>> editor will >>>>>>>>> not work effectively -- for example pages which are largely >>>>>>>>> rendered through >>>>>>>>> templates. On these pages we will turn-off RTE editing. These >>>>>>>>> pages are >>>>>>>>> maintained by experienced editors -- so there shouldn't be any >>>>>>>>> issues in >>>>>>>>> maintaining these pages. During Phase 1, there is a possibility >>>>>>>>> that we will >>>>>>>>> not have WYSIWYG capability for talk pages or the template >>>>>>>>> namespace. >>>>>>>>> - *Phase 2*: Continue with development work regarding the >>>>>>>>> refinements we need for an educational wiki. These enhancements >>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>> released once tested and reliable at a later stage during the >>>>>>>>> project. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> WikiEducators can test how WYSIWYG editing works using the >>>>>>>>> MediaWiki+FCKeditor project. Create an account and test the editor >>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>> the sandbox on this wiki: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://mediawiki.fckeditor.net/Sandbox >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please try this out and let us know what you think. Thoughts and >>>>>>>>> suggestions are welcome! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think that this is an important and valuable step for >>>>>>>>> WikiEducator and that we should be bold and move forward with the >>>>>>>>> suggestion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> Wayne >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>>>>> Director, >>>>>>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>>>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>>>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>>> Director, >>>>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>> Director, >>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> डॉक्टर सावित्री सिंह >>> प्रधानाचार्य >>> आचार्य नरेन्द्र देव कॉलेज >>> ( दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय ) >>> गोविन्दपुरी, कालकाजी >>> नयी दिल्ली 110019 >>> >>> Dr. Savithri Singh >>> Principal >>> Acharya Narendra Dev College >>> (University of Delhi) >>> Govindpuri, Kalkaji >>> New Delhi 110 019 >>> >>> Tel: 2629 4542, 2629 3224, 2641 2547 >>> Fax: (011) 2629 4540 >>> Res: 2584 8151 2584 9786 2584 3496 >>> >>> http://andcollege.du.ac.in >>> http://wikieducator.org/Acharya_Narendra_Dev_College >>> http://wikieducator.org/User:Savi.odl >>> http://wikieducator.org/India >>> http://wikieducator.org/India/wikieducator_launch >>> http://www.slideshare.net/singh.savithri >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >> Director, >> International Centre for Open Education, >> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, www.wikieducator.org >> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >> Skype: WGMNZ1 >> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >> >> >> > > > -- > डॉक्टर सावित्री सिंह > प्रधानाचार्य > आचार्य नरेन्द्र देव कॉलेज > ( दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय ) > गोविन्दपुरी, कालकाजी > नयी दिल्ली 110019 > > Dr. Savithri Singh > Principal > Acharya Narendra Dev College > (University of Delhi) > Govindpuri, Kalkaji > New Delhi 110 019 > > Tel: 2629 4542, 2629 3224, 2641 2547 > Fax: (011) 2629 4540 > Res: 2584 8151 2584 9786 2584 3496 > > http://andcollege.du.ac.in > http://wikieducator.org/Acharya_Narendra_Dev_College > http://wikieducator.org/User:Savi.odl > http://wikieducator.org/India > http://wikieducator.org/India/wikieducator_launch > http://www.slideshare.net/singh.savithri > > > > > -- Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. 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