Hi John, Thanks for your feedback. Much appreciated.
Yes -- it is possible to enable the rich text editor through a user preference setting. So users who prefer standard wiki editing will be able to continue in the usual way. I've not researched formula yet and we'll need to look into this. Cheers Wayne 2009/9/29 john stampe <jwsta...@yahoo.com> > I tried the editor and it looks good. Two limitations I did see with it. > First is that formulas require TeX markup, which would be difficult for > newbies. And the second is the ability to insert characters such as Greek > letters. > > Also I had no problem switching between wiki markup and the rich text > editor. Even though it appeared to remember which I used last, is there a > way to set the default through the preferences? > > John > > http://www.wikieducator.org/User:JohnWS > http://johnsearth.blogspot.com > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Savithri Singh <singh.savit...@gmail.com> > *To:* wikieducator@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:18:37 PM > *Subject:* [WikiEducator] Re: WYSIWYG Editor for WikiEducator > > Hi Wayne, > > I did. Works fine. Am happy - am sure can get more people to contribute > to WE this way. > > Savithri > > 2009/9/27 Wayne Mackintosh <mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> > >> Hi Savithri, >> >> I agree -- I think this additional option will expand participation in our >> project. >> >> If you like, you can test and see how this WYSIWYG editing works by >> visiting the MediaWiki+FCKeditor project. Create an new account on this >> wiki and test the editor by clicking the edit tab using the sandbox on this >> wiki: >> >> http://mediawiki.fckeditor.net/Sandbox >> >> Cheers >> Wayne >> >> >> 2009/9/27 Savithri Singh <singh.savit...@gmail.com> >> >>> Dear Wayne, >>> >>> Then I see no reason why we should hesitate to switch. WE `are only >>> providing an additional option. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Savithri >>> >>> 2009/9/27 Wayne Mackintosh <mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> >>> >>> Good qeustion Savithri >>>> >>>> The FCKeditor extension for Mediawiki converts the text into wiki >>>> syntax :-), which means that users can still continue editing in the >>>> conventional way. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Wayne >>>> >>>> 2009/9/27 Savithri Singh <singh.savit...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>>> Dear Wayne, >>>>> >>>>> WYSIWYG will definitely be useful for people who are diffident of >>>>> working with syntax - it will help more people to contribute to WE. >>>>> >>>>> Tell me something - if a page is created via WYSIWYG then later can we >>>>> edit it our conventional way? Then even embedding templates can ebe done. >>>>> >>>>> Allowing WYSIWYG is a great initiative. >>>>> >>>>> Savithri >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2009/9/27 NELLIE DEUTSCH <nellie.muller.deut...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, since my interest lies in active learning and engaging learners, >>>>>> I would like invite those with common interests to join me in >>>>>> brainstorming >>>>>> to find ways to engage members of the community. >>>>>> >>>>>> Warm wishes, >>>>>> Nellie Deutsch >>>>>> Sharing is Caring! >>>>>> Doctoral Student >>>>>> Educational Leadership >>>>>> Curriculum and Instruction >>>>>> Get ready for CO10: http://connecting-online.ning.com/ >>>>>> Free online workshops on WikiEducator: >>>>>> http://www.wikieducator.org/Workshops >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>>>> mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Nellie >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would always welcome another 11,000 active members :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Wayne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/9/27 NELLIE DEUTSCH <nellie.muller.deut...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wayne, >>>>>>>> You are very modest about the amount of work you put into making >>>>>>>> things happen on WE. I would like to invite the over 11,000 members of >>>>>>>> WikiEducator to become active participants. >>>>>>>> There is a great deal each of us can do to share the load and show >>>>>>>> the world that WE is an active community that is bringing education and >>>>>>>> learning to everyone on the planet. >>>>>>>> Warm wishes, >>>>>>>> Nellie Deutsch >>>>>>>> Sharing is Caring! >>>>>>>> Doctoral Student >>>>>>>> Educational Leadership >>>>>>>> Curriculum and Instruction >>>>>>>> Get ready for CO10: http://connecting-online.ning.com/ >>>>>>>> Free online workshops on WikiEducator: >>>>>>>> http://www.wikieducator.org/Workshops >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>>>>>> mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Nellie, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the kind words :-) -- but it's not just me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We have a sterling team of volunteer techies with folk like Jim and >>>>>>>>> Wen-Chen watching over smooth operations of our web sites and future >>>>>>>>> technology deployments, we also have a team of WikiEDTech advisers >>>>>>>>> plus the >>>>>>>>> folk over at Athabasca University preparing for the migration of the >>>>>>>>> servers. We have funders like the NZ Ministry of Education and >>>>>>>>> Hewlett who >>>>>>>>> are helping us spread the reach of OER across the planet. We >>>>>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>>>>> forget our committment to transparent and democractic governance >>>>>>>>> models with >>>>>>>>> a team of 25 international open education professionals who volunteer >>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>> ensuring the stewardship of good governance. Above all -- the >>>>>>>>> thousands of >>>>>>>>> educators who spend hours working on OER in WikiEducator. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That said -- the independance we now have with the OER Foundation >>>>>>>>> (see: http://tinyurl.com/nnqg9e) gives us greater flexibility and >>>>>>>>> agility than was possible working under an intergovernmental agency. >>>>>>>>> We >>>>>>>>> still have lots of work to do -- but have a very solid foundation for >>>>>>>>> scalable growth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Our next step is to figure out the best way to implement the >>>>>>>>> embedding of third party media (like video, slideshows etc) and this >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> high on our list of priorities. The question of embedding third party >>>>>>>>> media >>>>>>>>> is not so much a technical barrier, but more a question of free >>>>>>>>> content >>>>>>>>> licensing and open file formats. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Increasingly, video hosting sites now provide functionality to tag >>>>>>>>> user rights -- for example Creative Commons Licenses. In an ideal >>>>>>>>> world, we >>>>>>>>> would want the capabilities for WikiEducators to have access to >>>>>>>>> editable >>>>>>>>> versions of the video files in open file formats. We're certainly a >>>>>>>>> lot >>>>>>>>> closer to achieving this goal today than we were a year ago. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Watch this spaces -- pretty soon we will be able to embedd video >>>>>>>>> from third party sites in ways which align with our community values! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> Wayne >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2009/9/27 NELLIE DEUTSCH <nellie.muller.deut...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Excellent progress, Wayne. I am very impressed by the amount of >>>>>>>>>> work and progress you are making to "make things happen" on >>>>>>>>>> WikiEducator and >>>>>>>>>> implementing WYSIWYG. I wonder if adding the editor would also allow >>>>>>>>>> publishers to embed html codes for videos. >>>>>>>>>> Warm wishes, >>>>>>>>>> Nellie Deutsch >>>>>>>>>> Sharing is Caring! >>>>>>>>>> Doctoral Student >>>>>>>>>> Educational Leadership >>>>>>>>>> Curriculum and Instruction >>>>>>>>>> Get ready for CO10: http://connecting-online.ning.com/ >>>>>>>>>> Free online workshops on WikiEducator: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.wikieducator.org/Workshops >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>>>>>>>> mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For sometime our Community has requested that we implement a >>>>>>>>>>> WYSIWYG editor in WikiEducator. Many teachers and educators say >>>>>>>>>>> that wiki >>>>>>>>>>> text is a barrier to participation. WikiEducator is keen to respond >>>>>>>>>>> to these >>>>>>>>>>> requests. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To date, we've been holding back on implementing rich text >>>>>>>>>>> editing for two reasons: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Maturity of the WYSIWYG technology (Most notably issues >>>>>>>>>>> with templates and large content pages) >>>>>>>>>>> - A reliable funding source to implement the refinements that >>>>>>>>>>> will be necessary for an educational wiki >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The MediaWiki+FCKeditor project has matured considerably over the >>>>>>>>>>> last 2 years and we believe that it is now feasible to install >>>>>>>>>>> WYSIWYG >>>>>>>>>>> editing for WikiEducator. Also, with funding support from the New >>>>>>>>>>> Zealand >>>>>>>>>>> Ministry of Education we are now in a position to start work on the >>>>>>>>>>> implementation of refinements that will be required for educators >>>>>>>>>>> (for >>>>>>>>>>> example, pull down menus for our pedagogical templates >>>>>>>>>>> incorporating text >>>>>>>>>>> boxes for the different parameters for these templates). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We need to cater for two kinds of users: 1) Those (like myself >>>>>>>>>>> ;-) ) who prefer wiki syntax to rich text editing and (2) those >>>>>>>>>>> users who >>>>>>>>>>> would prefer using a WYSIWYG environment. Fortunately -- the >>>>>>>>>>> FCKeditor >>>>>>>>>>> enables users to make the choice. Even within the FCKeditor -- >>>>>>>>>>> there is an >>>>>>>>>>> option to edit using wiki text. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> NOTE: Experienced WikiEducators can continue to edit in the usual >>>>>>>>>>> way -- They will NOT be required to switch over to Rich Text >>>>>>>>>>> Editing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I propose that we use a phased approach: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - *Phase 1*: Install the FCKeditor WYSIWYG editor as an >>>>>>>>>>> optional user preference. The editor works well for the >>>>>>>>>>> majority of editing >>>>>>>>>>> functions, however the implementation for templates is not ideal >>>>>>>>>>> and could >>>>>>>>>>> be confusing for newbies. That said, newbies do not typically >>>>>>>>>>> start using >>>>>>>>>>> templates until they are more experienced and experienced editor >>>>>>>>>>> will know >>>>>>>>>>> how to use templates should they choose to use the RTE option. >>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, I >>>>>>>>>>> think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages in holding back >>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>> implementation until we get a better user interface for editing >>>>>>>>>>> templates. >>>>>>>>>>> There will be a few pages in WikiEducator where the rich text >>>>>>>>>>> editor will >>>>>>>>>>> not work effectively -- for example pages which are largely >>>>>>>>>>> rendered through >>>>>>>>>>> templates. On these pages we will turn-off RTE editing. These >>>>>>>>>>> pages are >>>>>>>>>>> maintained by experienced editors -- so there shouldn't be any >>>>>>>>>>> issues in >>>>>>>>>>> maintaining these pages. During Phase 1, there is a possibility >>>>>>>>>>> that we will >>>>>>>>>>> not have WYSIWYG capability for talk pages or the template >>>>>>>>>>> namespace. >>>>>>>>>>> - *Phase 2*: Continue with development work regarding the >>>>>>>>>>> refinements we need for an educational wiki. These enhancements >>>>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>>>> released once tested and reliable at a later stage during the >>>>>>>>>>> project. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> WikiEducators can test how WYSIWYG editing works using the >>>>>>>>>>> MediaWiki+FCKeditor project. Create an account and test the editor >>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>> the sandbox on this wiki: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://mediawiki.fckeditor.net/Sandbox >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please try this out and let us know what you think. Thoughts and >>>>>>>>>>> suggestions are welcome! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think that this is an important and valuable step for >>>>>>>>>>> WikiEducator and that we should be bold and move forward with the >>>>>>>>>>> suggestion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>> Wayne >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>>>>>>> Director, >>>>>>>>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>>>>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>>>>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>>>>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>>>>>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>>>>>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>>>>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>>>>> Director, >>>>>>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>>>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>>>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>>> Director, >>>>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> डॉक्टर सावित्री सिंह >>>>> प्रधानाचार्य >>>>> आचार्य नरेन्द्र देव कॉलेज >>>>> ( दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय ) >>>>> गोविन्दपुरी, कालकाजी >>>>> नयी दिल्ली 110019 >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Savithri Singh >>>>> Principal >>>>> Acharya Narendra Dev College >>>>> (University of Delhi) >>>>> Govindpuri, Kalkaji >>>>> New Delhi 110 019 >>>>> >>>>> Tel: 2629 4542, 2629 3224, 2641 2547 >>>>> Fax: (011) 2629 4540 >>>>> Res: 2584 8151 2584 9786 2584 3496 >>>>> >>>>> http://andcollege.du.ac.in >>>>> http://wikieducator.org/Acharya_Narendra_Dev_College >>>>> http://wikieducator.org/User:Savi.odl >>>>> http://wikieducator.org/India >>>>> http://wikieducator.org/India/wikieducator_launch >>>>> http://www.slideshare.net/singh.savithri >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>> Director, >>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> डॉक्टर सावित्री सिंह >>> प्रधानाचार्य >>> आचार्य नरेन्द्र देव कॉलेज >>> ( दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय ) >>> गोविन्दपुरी, कालकाजी >>> नयी दिल्ली 110019 >>> >>> Dr. Savithri Singh >>> Principal >>> Acharya Narendra Dev College >>> (University of Delhi) >>> Govindpuri, Kalkaji >>> New Delhi 110 019 >>> >>> Tel: 2629 4542, 2629 3224, 2641 2547 >>> Fax: (011) 2629 4540 >>> Res: 2584 8151 2584 9786 2584 3496 >>> >>> http://andcollege.du.ac.in >>> http://wikieducator.org/Acharya_Narendra_Dev_College >>> http://wikieducator.org/User:Savi.odl >>> http://wikieducator.org/India >>> http://wikieducator.org/India/wikieducator_launch >>> http://www.slideshare.net/singh.savithri >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >> Director, >> International Centre for Open Education, >> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, www.wikieducator.org >> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >> Skype: WGMNZ1 >> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >> >> >> > > > -- > डॉक्टर सावित्री सिंह > प्रधानाचार्य > आचार्य नरेन्द्र देव कॉलेज > ( दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय ) > गोविन्दपुरी, कालकाजी > नयी दिल्ली 110019 > > Dr. Savithri Singh > Principal > Acharya Narendra Dev College > (University of Delhi) > Govindpuri, Kalkaji > New Delhi 110 019 > > Tel: 2629 4542, 2629 3224, 2641 2547 > Fax: (011) 2629 4540 > Res: 2584 8151 2584 9786 2584 3496 > > http://andcollege.du.ac.in > http://wikieducator.org/Acharya_Narendra_Dev_College > http://wikieducator.org/User:Savi.odl > http://wikieducator.org/India > http://wikieducator.org/India/wikieducator_launch > http://www.slideshare.net/singh.savithri > > > > > > > > -- Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. 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