2015-10-04 17:42 GMT+02:00 Florence Devouard <anthe...@yahoo.com>: > Le 04/10/15 16:15, Theo10011 a écrit : > Now, beside head rolling... (uh, ouch :)) what do you suggest to fix that ? >
I don't see that *anything* needs fixing here. So, what happened? The Wikimania committee came to the conclusion that the current process to select the next Wikimania host is broken (and I think the committee was right about that). So something needed to happen - and the committee did something that we see not often enough in Wikimedia-land: *they made a decision*. A decision they were tasked to take: Think and decide on the next Wikimania host, and on the process to find one. Nobody ever said that their job was only to execute a set of old guidlines and processes (which, I guess, were never "community approved" but rather were around just for a long, long time). So, t hey abandoned the process, came up with a new one, and decided who would host Wikimania in 2017 (Montreal seems a great choice, btw - I mean, a bilingual city has some great opportunities for us, right?). Whats wrong with that? Nothing! Let's face some truths here: 1. Wikimania has become well too big to be run by volunteers. EVERY Wikimania since Danzig (at least) happened *only* because the WMF jumped in at one point of time to rescue the whole event. That is not to say that volunteers did not do a great job for Wikimania - but the job proved to be too big for volunteers, for at least five times in a row. So it was right to abandon the current process and replace it with something new. 2. The new process has a lot of problems build in - I think, for example, that the decision to exclude major parts of the world from Wikimanias (except for every third year, when regions are "up to grabs) , is wrong. BUT: We now have at least 18 MONTHS to fix this (and possible other problems) - thanks to the bold decision of the Wikimania committee. 3. "There are two things in the world you never want to let people see how you make 'em: laws and sausages" (Leo McGarry, The West Wing, "Five Votes Down"). And there is one thing Wikimedians in this world could not care less about : How the next host for Wikimania is found. Let's applaud the great people of the Wikimania Committee that they took on that task, came up with a great decision for 2017 AND implemented a new (even so not perfect) process while they were at it. 4. I think with a lot of things in Wikimedia-land, we need MORE bold decisions (by whomever) , and LESS "community consultation" that only leads to some old-timers in en.WP and de.WP voice their anger and concerns, but rarely solves the problem that needs solving. 5. Dear Wikimania Committee: Your communication of thi s whole thing sucked , big time. Consider yourself scolded. Move on. Cheers, Pavel > > > [1]https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee#Purpose_and_process >> >> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Yes and no. Considering that I've been waiting for months for answers to >>> questions about the WMF Annual Plan, I would say that there is much room >>> for improvement in communications. >>> >>> On the other hand, the WMF Comms department itself seems to more or less >>> ok, and I personally think we'll of WMF's chief communications officer. >>> >>> So, some good points, and some room to improve. I agree that the status >>> quo >>> has been this way for awhile and it would be good to see across-the-board >>> communications SLAs. >>> >>> Pine >>> On Oct 4, 2015 12:18 AM, "Mathias Damour" <mathias.dam...@laposte.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Le 04/10/2015 05:36, Craig Franklin a écrit : >>>> >>>> I take your point Pine, but "improving communication with the community" >>>>> seems to have been a WMF priority for as long as I can remember, yet >>>>> >>>> there >>> >>>> doesn't seem to have been any consistent improvement, as we can see >>>>> >>>> here. >>> >>>> A new approach and direction to how matters like this are communicated >>>>> >>>> is >>> >>>> clearly needed, because the current one doesn't seem to be working at >>>>> >>>> all. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I wouldn't say that the WMF communication is simply bad, it is pretty >>>> professional. >>>> >>>> It may rather be that an open communication and keeping control on the >>>> greater part of the decisions (or even conducting the users of the >>>> >>> projets >>> >>>> themself, as an average internet company does), are "two tendancies that >>>> are not fully compatible" (to borrow Florence's words). >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mathias Damour >>>> [[User:Astirmays]] >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind regards, Pavel Richter Mobile: +49-151-19645755 Mail: m...@pavelrichter.de Twitter: @pavel <https://twitter.com/pavel> Blog: blog.pavelrichter.de _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
