On 25 Nov 2015 03:53, "Risker" <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you, Nikki. Yes, about 70% of the costs were broken down, more or > less. But almost 30% - totalling over US$635,000 - is undifferentiated > "floating capacity" and "administrative costs". Those two amounts, which > are not broken down by program, total more than any other Wikimedia > movement entity except WMDE has received in the past three rounds.
I think "WMDE did not attempt to attribute overheads to programme costs" is a very different statement to "WMDE did not provide details of how much Wikidata costs". > > User:Risker - FDC member > > > > On 24 November 2015 at 10:13, Nicola Zeuner <nicola.zeu...@wikimedia.de> > wrote: > > > Dear Risker, Gerard et al., > > > > Just a quick correction: > > > > WMDE did indeed provide a detailed cost breakdown for Wikidata costs as > > well as other software development costs, down to the activity level, in > > table 6b, in the financial section > > < > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2015-2016_round1/Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V./Proposal_form#Financials:_upcoming_year.27s_annual_plan > > > > > of > > the WMDE proposal. > > > > When first FDC member Risker > > < > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2015-2016_round1/Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V./Proposal_form#Questions_from_Risker > > > > > and then FDC staff > > < > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2015-2016_round1/Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V./Proposal_form#budget_.26_finances > > > > > asked > > about a separation of costs, our response referred them to table 6b, and > > clarified that the first *eight* line items cover core Wikidata development > > work (the remaining five items cover closely related development and > > community activities that support Wikidata). > > > > Hope this helps to inform this discussion. > > > > Thanks, > > Nikki Zeuner (WMDE) > > > > > > Nikki Zeuner > > Partnerships and Development > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin > > Tel. (030) 219 158 260 > > Mobil: 0172 547 1261 > > US: 1 (520) 743-6801 > > www.wikimedia.de > > > > Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen > > Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! > > http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ > > > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. > > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter > > der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für > > Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. > > <http://wikimedia.de> > > > > 2015-11-24 14:47 GMT+01:00 Risker <risker...@gmail.com>: > > > > > Hello Gerard - > > > > > > The recommended grant for Wikimedia Deutschland is larger than ever, and > > > represents a 42% increase from last year's grant. This is a massive > > > increase. Please don't confuse the fact that WMDE did not get everything > > > it wanted with whether or not Wikidata is underfunded. Remember, the > > > request was not just for Wikidata funding, and despite many attempts by > > the > > > FDC to get precise data on the actual planned expenses for Wikidata, the > > > committee was not provided with this information. While the funds > > provided > > > are restricted (in that they can only be spent on the projects WMDE > > applied > > > for), WMDE can spend the entire amount on Wikidata if it wants to. > > Perhaps > > > that is where you might want to turn your attention. > > > > > > User:Risker - FDC member > > > > > > On 24 November 2015 at 04:02, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > So in essence one of the most relevant development project - Wikidata - > > > > that is arguably already underfunded will be even more underfunded and > > we > > > > have to say thank you for doing a good job? Ok.. I thank Wikimedia > > > Germany > > > > for doing a stellar job. It is an acknowledged source for inspiration > > > and I > > > > have been really happy in all the contacts that I have had with them > > over > > > > the years. > > > > > > > > It is not up to me to doubt the sincere efforts of the FDC but I am > > > > saddened that while WMF has more cash than that it can spend important > > > work > > > > is curtailed .. for what? Other development projects are not treated in > > > > this way and a great opportunity to do even more is missed as a result. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > On 24 November 2015 at 03:04, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thank you FDC. > > > > > > > > > > Many of the small and midsized APG requests fared well in this round. > > > > That > > > > > is nice to see. > > > > > > > > > > I find it concerning that the larger the organization, the more > > > problems > > > > > the FDC seemed to find with the org's budget and performance > > > management > > > > > practices. One would expect the larger organizations to have mature > > and > > > > > robust practices in these areas. Regarding WMF in particular, my > > > concerns > > > > > about its budget practices are well documented and I appreciate that > > > the > > > > > FDC is also taking note of the persistence of the problems. I hope > > that > > > > WMF > > > > > will get serious about its financial transpatency. > > > > > > > > > > A couple of questions about Wikidata: > > > > > > > > > > I'm confused about the funding for Wikidata. In one place the FDC > > says > > > > that > > > > > "Nonetheless, the FDC is exasperated by the inability of WMDE to to > > > > > disaggregate the costs of Wikidata from other projects." and in > > another > > > > > place the FDC says that "We have recommended a reduced amount for > > WMDE > > > in > > > > > this round with the expectation that WMDE will not cut Wikidata or > > > their > > > > > other tech development work, but will instead find cost savings > > > elsewhere > > > > > in its annual plan." If the FDC wants a disaggregated budget (which > > is > > > > > understandable) then why is the FDC expecting WMDE to dip into its > > > other > > > > > funds and/or make cuts elsewhere in order to cover the work in this > > > > > proposal that the FDC is declining to fund in this proposal? This > > > > > expectation seems to be a bit of a contradiction. > > > > > > > > > > I'm also wondering how WMDE is able to submit a dedicated request for > > > > > restricted funding for Wikidata if the Wikidata project is so > > > integrated > > > > > into WMDE's other budgets that the FDC finds the integration to be > > > > > problematic. Can the FDC or our colleagues at WMDE explain this? > > > > > > > > > > Wikidata is a high profile project with a good reputation, and I hope > > > > that > > > > > the issues can be resolved soon. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Pine > > > > > On Nov 23, 2015 14:09, "matanya moses" <mata...@foss.co.il> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Wikimedians, > > > > > > > > > > > > tl;dr: The FDC’s recommendations for this round of the APG grant > > > > requests > > > > > > have now been published at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/FDC_recommendations/2015-2016_round1 > > > > > > > > > > > > The Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) meets twice a year to help > > > make > > > > > > decisions about how to effectively allocate movement funds to > > achieve > > > > the > > > > > > Wikimedia movement's mission, vision, and strategy. [1] We met for > > > four > > > > > > days last week in San Francisco to review 11 proposals submitted > > for > > > > this > > > > > > round of funding. [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > The committee has now posted our Round 1 2015-2016 recommendations > > on > > > > the > > > > > > annual plan grants (APG) to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of > > > Trustees. > > > > > [3] > > > > > > The WMF Board representatives to the FDC (Denny Vrandecic, Jan-Bart > > > de > > > > > > Vreede and Dariusz Jemielniak) will lead the Board in its review of > > > > these > > > > > > recommendations. The WMF Board will review the recommendations and > > > then > > > > > > make their decision on them before 1 January 2016. > > > > > > > > > > > > This round, the eleven proposals came from ten chapters and one > > > > thematic > > > > > > organisation, totaling requests of approximately $3.8 million USD. > > > Ten > > > > > > affiliates were returning to the APG program, and one was a new > > > > > applicant. > > > > > > This round, one organisation requested a restricted grant to > > support > > > > one > > > > > > particular program. All other grant requests were for general > > > funding. > > > > > > > > > > > > Before we met for our face-to-face deliberations, the FDC carefully > > > > > > reviewed all proposals and supporting documentation (e.g., budgets, > > > > > plans, > > > > > > strategies) in detail, aided by staff assessments and analysis on > > > > impact, > > > > > > finances, and programs, as well as community comments on the > > > proposals. > > > > > The > > > > > > committee had long and intense conversations about the proposals > > > > > submitted > > > > > > this round. By listening and carefully considering all available > > > data, > > > > > the > > > > > > committee achieved consensus on all proposal deliberations. > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the above, the FDC has also included a > > recommendation > > > > > about > > > > > > the WMF itself to improve its own level of planning transparency > > and > > > > > budget > > > > > > detail. The WMF staff were not involved in the conception or > > writing > > > of > > > > > > this additional recommendation. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your reference, there is a formal process to submit appeals > > about > > > > > > these recommendations or complaints about the FDC process. The > > > > processes > > > > > > for both are outlined below. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any applicant that wants to appeal the FDC’s recommendation about > > > their > > > > > > proposal this round should submit it by 23:59 UTC on 8 December > > 2015 > > > in > > > > > > accordance with the appeal process outlined in the FDC Framework. A > > > > > formal > > > > > > appeal to challenge the FDC’s recommendation should be in the form > > > of a > > > > > > 500-or-fewer word summary. The appeal should be submitted on-wiki, > > > [4] > > > > > and > > > > > > must be submitted by the Board Chair of a funding-seeking > > applicant. > > > > > > > > > > > > Complaints about the process can be filed by anyone with the > > > > > Ombudsperson, > > > > > > and can be made any time. The complaint should be submitted on > > wiki, > > > as > > > > > > well. [5] The ombudsperson will publicly document the complaint, > > and > > > > > > investigate as needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please take a look at the upcoming calendar [6] to learn about > > other > > > > > > upcoming milestones in the APG program. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, we offer our sincere thanks to the 11 organisations who > > > > submitted > > > > > > annual plan grant proposals to the FDC this round. > > > > > > > > > > > > On behalf of the FDC, > > > > > > > > > > > > Matanya Moses (FDC chair), User:Matanya > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2015-2016_round1 > > > > > > [3] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/FDC_recommendations/2015-2016_round1 > > > > > > [4] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Appeals_to_the_Board_on_the_recommendations_of_the_FDC > > > > > > [5] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Complaints_about_the_FDC_process > > > > > > [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Calendar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be > > > immediately > > > > > > directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia > > > > > > community. 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