This list is *a* community but it certainly does not constitute The
Community™ nor are we the community affected by this code of conduct.

I suggest raising this in venues appropriate to the particular community in
question, in this case the technical community. Before bringing this topic
here it would have been far more appropriate to raise your concerns on a
more aligned mailing list such as wikitech-l. All of whom would be affected
by the code of conduct and who have been notified regularly about it.

I also suggest you keep in mind that the technical community does have a
higher percentage of staff members from many organisations in comparison to
the number of volunteers. Simply being staff members does not preclude them
from being a part of that community and does not preclude their ability to
participate in their own self-governance.

It would be hypercritical of us if we as the wikimedia-l list were to
parachute into the governance of a community relatively few of us are a
part of.

Seddon



On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 5:30 PM, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This assumes the relevant Community is here now on this very list,
> which is an extremely questionable assumption. As has been noted ad
> nauseam already. At this point this thread appears hard to distinguish
> from forum shopping.
>
> On 2 March 2017 at 17:16, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm not asking Matt.  I'm asking the Community – here, now, on this very
> > list.
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Rogol,
> >>
> >> Please don't assume that Matt thinks that the TCoC is now in effect. Try
> >> asking him, preferably on the relevant talk page.
> >>
> >> I'm well aware of the challenges with the TCoC, but let's not make it
> more
> >> difficult than it is already, OK?
> >>
> >> Pine
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:31 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <
> domedonf...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Matt Flaschen has declared the final amendment to the code of conduct
> for
> >> > Wikimedia technical spaces approved and although he has not said so
> >> > explicitly, I assume that his current position is that it is now in
> >> force.
> >> > Even asuming that is correct, and previous consensus was against that,
> >> andI
> >> > there is still signficiant disagreement on this list, it can hardly
> have
> >> > any practical effect until it is published.  But first --
> >> >
> >> > Does the Community accept that this Code of Conduct is now in force?
> >> >
> >> > "Rogol"
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