The board will be discussing this of course. We do not have a group position at this point in time.
J On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM Jeff Hawke <geoffey.ha...@gmail.com> wrote: > James > > Thanks for that. As a member of the Board, would you clarify the Board's > position on whether it is prepared to see the final Recommendations > implemented irrespective of any disagreement from the community? > > Jeff > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:05 PM James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I for one do not agree with Jan-Bart's prior position. > > > > James > > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:40 AM Jeff Hawke <geoffey.ha...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Paulo, > > > > > > You suggest that "things will not get pretty if the Wikimedia community > > > does not approve some of the recommendations". You may recall that > just > > > five years ago, Jan-Bart de Vreede, then chair of the WMF Board, > > expressed > > > the opinion > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF)&diff=prev&oldid=9585319 > > > over > > > a much less dramatic change. > > > > > > > All of this is going to require change, change that might not be > > > acceptable to some of you. I hope that all of you will be a part of > this > > > next step in our evolution. But I understand that if you decide to > take a > > > wiki-break, that might be the way things have to be. Even so, you have > to > > > let the Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that next step > > when > > > needed. I can only hope that your break is temporary, and that you will > > > return when the time is right. > > > > > > I presume this is a good summary of the WMF position today. > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:06 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > > > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > If I've well understood the timeline, all input from the Wikimedia > > > > community ceases in mid September. Then it's all defined by the WGs > > 8and > > > > their advisors), and eventually decided upon by the BoT around > > December. > > > > Therefore, after 15 September or so, the Wikimedia community will > only > > be > > > > dealing with those recommendations again when they are already in the > > > > process of implementation. > > > > > > > > It's quite easy to predict that things will not get pretty if the > > > Wikimedia > > > > community does not approve some of the recommendations that pass all > > the > > > > way till implementation phase. > > > > > > > > Paulo > > > > > > > > Nicole Ebber <nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de> escreveu no dia quinta, > > > > 22/08/2019 > > > > à(s) 11:58: > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your engagement and input. It’s been great seeing so > > much > > > > > attention on movement strategy and collaborative efforts for > building > > > our > > > > > future. Here are a couple of follow up responses and > clarifications. > > > > > > > > > > DRAFTS > > > > > As pointed out in my previous email, the documents we recently > shared > > > are > > > > > recommendation drafts. They are not final, and not complete, but > > > working > > > > > documents that are currently being refined by the working groups. > > Some > > > > > answers still read like stubs that are longing for further > > development, > > > > > others are very detailed and will become more focused over the next > > few > > > > > weeks. We still decided to publish everything at once, to give > > > everyone a > > > > > full picture of the variety of topics and offer an insight into > > > multiple > > > > > progress levels. > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to reiterate that movement values, priorities and > > > > > community conversation processes are high on our radar. A > > > recommendation > > > > to > > > > > change the existing license model, for example, will not just go > > > through > > > > a > > > > > quick approval process, but lead to a deeper exploration into the > > > > reasoning > > > > > behind it: What problems are we trying to tackle, and what could be > > > ways > > > > to > > > > > mitigate them? Such recommendation would then rather suggest to > look > > > into > > > > > different measures to ensure indigenous knowledge is included in > the > > > > > Wikimedia ecosystem, deploy research and further consultation, > > instead > > > of > > > > > rushing to a quick fix. > > > > > > > > > > INTEGRATION > > > > > The working groups are taking input that they gathered at Wikimania > > and > > > > via > > > > > different movement channels and incorporating it into the next > > > iteration > > > > of > > > > > their recommendations. These documents will then serve as a basis > for > > > > > harmonization across working groups. > > > > > > > > > > The input that we are gathering comes in on different levels. Some > of > > > it > > > > > targets structural level changes or emphasizes specific principles > or > > > > > values, while other feedback is more on the programmatic side or > > > already > > > > > addressing implementation. Structural input will continue to be > > > > considered > > > > > in forthcoming iterations of the recommendations. Programmatic > input > > > will > > > > > be documented and taken forward to inform the implementation. > > > > > > > > > > TIMELINE > > > > > We wanted to get the English drafts out as soon as possible and the > > > > > translations on a rolling basis, so that Wikimania participants > could > > > > read > > > > > and prepare to engage in person. Over the next few weeks, we will > do > > > > > targeted, public outreach to online project communities in multiple > > > > > languages. We are soliciting feedback to shape the overall > direction > > of > > > > the > > > > > recommendations through mid-September. Working Groups are already > > > working > > > > > on identifying gaps and overlaps with other groups to prepare for > > > > > harmonization. > > > > > > > > > > At the harmonization sprint in Tunis on 20-22 September, we will > > bring > > > 3 > > > > > representatives from each Working Group together to work to > develop a > > > > more > > > > > coherent set of recommendations. The group will be supported by > > > > > facilitators and external advice, as well as the core team. We have > > > also > > > > > invited María Sefidari, Katherine Maher, Ryan Merkley, Valerie > > D’Costa > > > > > (Wikimedia Foundation) and Abraham Taherivand (Wikimedia > Deutschland) > > > to > > > > > the sprint. They contribute expertise and experience from their > work > > > and > > > > > leadership in the movement and beyond. They will be active > listeners > > > and > > > > > can challenge recommendations by pointing out risks and > consequences > > on > > > > the > > > > > organizational and movement level. They also participate as the > > > > > representatives of organizations that may be impacted by the > > > > > recommendations. Involving them early is important so they can > > > anticipate > > > > > any possible changes for their staff and programs, and plan for > > > > > implementation. > > > > > > > > > > Our aim is to release recommendations in November 2019, and present > > > them > > > > to > > > > > the Board of Trustees for approval in December. We will need the > > legal > > > > > authority of the board for some of the recommendations, while > others > > > will > > > > > then be further delegated to other community mechanisms and > > structures > > > > for > > > > > approval or further consultation.[1] There will be additional > public > > > > > consultation activities around implementation that will be > discussed > > > and > > > > > owned across the movement. > > > > > > > > > > WORKING GROUPS > > > > > We have chosen the working group model to ensure that the process > > that > > > > > embarks to make significant changes to our movement structures is > > owned > > > > by > > > > > the community. Members of the nine working group were selected by a > > > > > steering committee and the groups were established in July 2019.[2] > > > Group > > > > > members come from different parts of the movement, e.g. from > > different > > > > > regions and languages, from individual contributors and organized > > > groups, > > > > > and with different volunteer and staff roles, incl. Wikimedia > > > Foundation > > > > > staff and board. > > > > > > > > > > The groups are doing an amazing job. With many of them being > > > volunteers, > > > > or > > > > > doing this work on top of their regular jobs, creating the draft > > > > > recommendations is a huge achievement. They first needed to form, > > storm > > > > and > > > > > norm as a group and figure out how to best work together across > time > > > > zones, > > > > > languages, and contexts. They then took a deep dive into the > > substance > > > > and > > > > > identified the scope of their work and the specific questions to > > tackle > > > > for > > > > > us as a movement to advance in our strategic direction. The > > development > > > > of > > > > > recommendations has started in spring this year, and – aside from > > many > > > > > online calls, asynchronous work and scarce in-person meetings – > > > included > > > > > incorporating community conversations and external expertise. It is > > > only > > > > to > > > > > the hard work of these groups that we finally have something > tangible > > > in > > > > > front of us that we can all react to and help further improve to > > build > > > > our > > > > > future together. > > > > > > > > > > Please join us in thanking, celebrating and supporting them, rather > > > than > > > > > rushing to conclusions or arguing over details. Please contribute > in > > > > good > > > > > faith, and in a constructive way. > > > > > > > > > > Let me know if you have further questions. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Nicole > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/July_2018_-_Board_of_Trustees_participation_in_the_Movement_Strategy_Process > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Procedures > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 13:13, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > And this is the core problem of the whole process (which has been > > > > pointed > > > > > > out by multiple people from the very beginning) > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Yaroslav > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Jeff Hawke < > > geoffey.ha...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:41 PM Andy Mabbett < > > > > > a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55, Jeff Hawke < > > > geoffey.ha...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the WG then collate them and decide the final form of the > > > > > > > > > recommendations, to be implemented by the WMF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This seems to be missing a rather crucial intermediate step; > > the > > > > one > > > > > > > > where the recommendations are accepted, or not, by the wider > > > > > Wikimedia > > > > > > > > community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That step is not mentioned at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_steps_will_take_place_in_the_next_few_months_to_put_a_decision-making_process_in_place > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Nicole Ebber > > > > > Adviser International Relations > > > > > Program Manager Wikimedia 2030 Movement Strategy > > > > > Wikimedia Deutschland e. 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