I for one do not agree with Jan-Bart's prior position. James
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:40 AM Jeff Hawke <geoffey.ha...@gmail.com> wrote: > Paulo, > > You suggest that "things will not get pretty if the Wikimedia community > does not approve some of the recommendations". You may recall that just > five years ago, Jan-Bart de Vreede, then chair of the WMF Board, expressed > the opinion > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF)&diff=prev&oldid=9585319 > over > a much less dramatic change. > > > All of this is going to require change, change that might not be > acceptable to some of you. I hope that all of you will be a part of this > next step in our evolution. But I understand that if you decide to take a > wiki-break, that might be the way things have to be. Even so, you have to > let the Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that next step when > needed. I can only hope that your break is temporary, and that you will > return when the time is right. > > I presume this is a good summary of the WMF position today. > > Jeff > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:06 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > If I've well understood the timeline, all input from the Wikimedia > > community ceases in mid September. Then it's all defined by the WGs 8and > > their advisors), and eventually decided upon by the BoT around December. > > Therefore, after 15 September or so, the Wikimedia community will only be > > dealing with those recommendations again when they are already in the > > process of implementation. > > > > It's quite easy to predict that things will not get pretty if the > Wikimedia > > community does not approve some of the recommendations that pass all the > > way till implementation phase. > > > > Paulo > > > > Nicole Ebber <nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de> escreveu no dia quinta, > > 22/08/2019 > > à(s) 11:58: > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Thank you for your engagement and input. It’s been great seeing so much > > > attention on movement strategy and collaborative efforts for building > our > > > future. Here are a couple of follow up responses and clarifications. > > > > > > DRAFTS > > > As pointed out in my previous email, the documents we recently shared > are > > > recommendation drafts. They are not final, and not complete, but > working > > > documents that are currently being refined by the working groups. Some > > > answers still read like stubs that are longing for further development, > > > others are very detailed and will become more focused over the next few > > > weeks. We still decided to publish everything at once, to give > everyone a > > > full picture of the variety of topics and offer an insight into > multiple > > > progress levels. > > > > > > I would also like to reiterate that movement values, priorities and > > > community conversation processes are high on our radar. A > recommendation > > to > > > change the existing license model, for example, will not just go > through > > a > > > quick approval process, but lead to a deeper exploration into the > > reasoning > > > behind it: What problems are we trying to tackle, and what could be > ways > > to > > > mitigate them? Such recommendation would then rather suggest to look > into > > > different measures to ensure indigenous knowledge is included in the > > > Wikimedia ecosystem, deploy research and further consultation, instead > of > > > rushing to a quick fix. > > > > > > INTEGRATION > > > The working groups are taking input that they gathered at Wikimania and > > via > > > different movement channels and incorporating it into the next > iteration > > of > > > their recommendations. These documents will then serve as a basis for > > > harmonization across working groups. > > > > > > The input that we are gathering comes in on different levels. Some of > it > > > targets structural level changes or emphasizes specific principles or > > > values, while other feedback is more on the programmatic side or > already > > > addressing implementation. Structural input will continue to be > > considered > > > in forthcoming iterations of the recommendations. Programmatic input > will > > > be documented and taken forward to inform the implementation. > > > > > > TIMELINE > > > We wanted to get the English drafts out as soon as possible and the > > > translations on a rolling basis, so that Wikimania participants could > > read > > > and prepare to engage in person. Over the next few weeks, we will do > > > targeted, public outreach to online project communities in multiple > > > languages. We are soliciting feedback to shape the overall direction of > > the > > > recommendations through mid-September. Working Groups are already > working > > > on identifying gaps and overlaps with other groups to prepare for > > > harmonization. > > > > > > At the harmonization sprint in Tunis on 20-22 September, we will bring > 3 > > > representatives from each Working Group together to work to develop a > > more > > > coherent set of recommendations. The group will be supported by > > > facilitators and external advice, as well as the core team. We have > also > > > invited María Sefidari, Katherine Maher, Ryan Merkley, Valerie D’Costa > > > (Wikimedia Foundation) and Abraham Taherivand (Wikimedia Deutschland) > to > > > the sprint. They contribute expertise and experience from their work > and > > > leadership in the movement and beyond. They will be active listeners > and > > > can challenge recommendations by pointing out risks and consequences on > > the > > > organizational and movement level. They also participate as the > > > representatives of organizations that may be impacted by the > > > recommendations. Involving them early is important so they can > anticipate > > > any possible changes for their staff and programs, and plan for > > > implementation. > > > > > > Our aim is to release recommendations in November 2019, and present > them > > to > > > the Board of Trustees for approval in December. We will need the legal > > > authority of the board for some of the recommendations, while others > will > > > then be further delegated to other community mechanisms and structures > > for > > > approval or further consultation.[1] There will be additional public > > > consultation activities around implementation that will be discussed > and > > > owned across the movement. > > > > > > WORKING GROUPS > > > We have chosen the working group model to ensure that the process that > > > embarks to make significant changes to our movement structures is owned > > by > > > the community. Members of the nine working group were selected by a > > > steering committee and the groups were established in July 2019.[2] > Group > > > members come from different parts of the movement, e.g. from different > > > regions and languages, from individual contributors and organized > groups, > > > and with different volunteer and staff roles, incl. Wikimedia > Foundation > > > staff and board. > > > > > > The groups are doing an amazing job. With many of them being > volunteers, > > or > > > doing this work on top of their regular jobs, creating the draft > > > recommendations is a huge achievement. They first needed to form, storm > > and > > > norm as a group and figure out how to best work together across time > > zones, > > > languages, and contexts. They then took a deep dive into the substance > > and > > > identified the scope of their work and the specific questions to tackle > > for > > > us as a movement to advance in our strategic direction. The development > > of > > > recommendations has started in spring this year, and – aside from many > > > online calls, asynchronous work and scarce in-person meetings – > included > > > incorporating community conversations and external expertise. It is > only > > to > > > the hard work of these groups that we finally have something tangible > in > > > front of us that we can all react to and help further improve to build > > our > > > future together. > > > > > > Please join us in thanking, celebrating and supporting them, rather > than > > > rushing to conclusions or arguing over details. Please contribute in > > good > > > faith, and in a constructive way. > > > > > > Let me know if you have further questions. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Nicole > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/July_2018_-_Board_of_Trustees_participation_in_the_Movement_Strategy_Process > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Procedures > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 13:13, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > And this is the core problem of the whole process (which has been > > pointed > > > > out by multiple people from the very beginning) > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Yaroslav > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Jeff Hawke <geoffey.ha...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:41 PM Andy Mabbett < > > > a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55, Jeff Hawke < > geoffey.ha...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > the WG then collate them and decide the final form of the > > > > > > > recommendations, to be implemented by the WMF > > > > > > > > > > > > This seems to be missing a rather crucial intermediate step; the > > one > > > > > > where the recommendations are accepted, or not, by the wider > > > Wikimedia > > > > > > community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That step is not mentioned at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_steps_will_take_place_in_the_next_few_months_to_put_a_decision-making_process_in_place > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Nicole Ebber > > > Adviser International Relations > > > Program Manager Wikimedia 2030 Movement Strategy > > > Wikimedia Deutschland e. 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