Ok Harry, I will have a go at tweaking the text to put the buildings info 
first. It would be easier to be more straightforward if we had more space to 
fit this into.

Michael 

On 14 Sep 2013, at 16:29, HJ Mitchell <hjmitch...@ymail.com> wrote:

> Pardon me, Michael, but I think that might be a bit too jargony. If I was a 
> complete novice on copyright, I'd have to read that several times to work out 
> that I could upload a photo of any building in the UK without infringing a 
> third party's copyright. The important part is that if it's 3D and 
> permanently lives in a public place (like a building or a statue), it's fair 
> game. An example might be useful in illustrating the point for novices; 
> Nelson's Column comes to mind...
>  
> Harry Mitchell
> http://enwp.org/User:HJ
> Phone: 024 7698 0977
> Skype: harry_j_mitchell
> 
> From: Michael Maggs <mich...@maggs.name>
> To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org>; Stevie 
> Benton <stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk> 
> Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013, 15:40
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 'Illustrating Wikipedia brochure' - your 
> thoughts?
> 
> A link might be good but as Katie says that will probably not help beginners. 
>   If at all possible I'd like to squeeze this in, as in prtactice the issues 
> briefly coverd there are of considerable imporetance to Commons, and admins 
> spend a lot of time having to delete non-free contect that comes within that 
> field.  
> 
> I'm happy to try and shorten if we can.  Also, can the 'have fun!' sign off 
> be smaller?
> 
> This version maybe saves a line without losing content:
> 
>> Freedom of panorama ('FoP') in the UK
>> FoP is a copyright law exception which gives photographers the freedom to 
>> take a photo of any building, or any 3D artistic work (eg sculpture, 
>> jewellery, artwork) that is on permanent public display, without infringing 
>> any copyright held by the architect or artist.  'Public display' means in a 
>> place normally open to the public, including interior spaces such as 
>> museums.  FoP does not extend to 3D works that are part of a temporary 
>> exhibition, nor to most 2D works such as posters or signs - even if on 
>> display in public.  FoP in the UK allows all modern buildings and some 3D 
>> artistic works to be freely photographed, without copyright concerns, but 
>> note that other countries' rules may  differ.
> 
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> On 13 Sep 2013, at 15:08, Katie Chan wrote:
> 
>> Both the English Wikipedia and Commons have a page on FoP, but they're not 
>> necessarily beginners friendly.
>> 
>> * <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama>
>> * <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama>
>> 
>> 
>> On 13 September 2013 14:35, Stevie Benton <stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk> 
>> wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> Thanks for your comments. The xxxxxxx is the space for the URL - once I know 
>> what that will be I'll add it in.
>> 
>> I will try and squeeze that text in although I'm not sure there is space. Is 
>> there a URL we can point people to for fuller details of FoP? It's all a bit 
>> daunting and intimidating for newbies I think.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Stevie
> 
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