I can tell you for a fact that Embarq and Verizon have 700 Mhz and FTTP on their radar BIG time.
It's that whole "battle vs. war" thing... They're willing to get their heads handed to them 9 times because that 10th is their nuke... OK I've gotta throw away this devil's advocate hat... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Erskine Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 11:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion Ten years is a good run, Travis. I wish you would listen to what I post rather than figure out some "smart" response. You have whined and whined about Google, yet you feel that the ILECs are not a threat. Besides the fact that you won a legal battle or two, you have no reason not to appropriate the *facts*. Yet you choose not to do that. Ok, help yourself. Go tilt at the Google windmill but while you do that, maybe you will check six once in a while? Because "6" is FTTH and 700 MHz in the hands of the ILECs. You may not believe that, and I personally could give a RATZ hinderst parts one way or the other, but put it in your note book and come back to me in two years... There are a lot of folks here who will tell you that I am not often wrong ... even though they don't like me worth a damn. Choose your enemies however you want. Me, I think I will choose mine with a dash of common sense. -m- Travis Johnson wrote: > I figured it out a long time ago.... wireless internet.... go around > the big bad phone company... since 1997. :) > > Travis > Microserv > > Michael Erskine wrote: >> Try filing a suit for taking your customers... :-\ >> >> You won't win that one. They have the same sort of pockets you fear >> in Google, except that they have already proven they will sell you >> DSL at twice the price they will offer retail... >> >> When we started reselling Verizon DSL we paid them "whole sale" >> because the FCC said that they had to let us buy at whole sale. >> Wholesale to us was $23.95. Retail to their >> customers was $14.95 with a one year commitment. Then the FCC >> decided that they did not have to let us buy at wholesale... >> >> You frigure it out. ;) >> >> -m- >> >> Travis Johnson wrote: >>> I don't fear the ILEC's... they are regulated and can be easily >>> sued. We have sued Qwest twice and won both times... once for slow >>> delivery of new lines and another time for billing errors. >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> Michael J. Erskine wrote: >>>> Travis Johnson wrote: >>>>> Yes, I remember the dark fiber... and so, the question remains, >>>>> how much fiber did they buy? They are now bidding on 700mhz >>>>> spectrum, and could connect everything back to their main >>>>> datacenters with all the dark fiber they purchased previously. ;) >>>>> >>>>> And I never said they were "Evil" (which is funny that everyone is >>>>> using that term when it is Google's company moto to "Do no >>>>> Evil")... all I am saying is we need to keep our eyes open and >>>>> watch what is going on... if the telco's buy the 700mhz, nobody >>>>> really cares... they will use it for cell phone or higher speed >>>>> mobile services... >>>> >>>> >>>> No, They will use it to deliver broadband in direct competition to >>>> you. The telco's have figured out that their future rests in >>>> broadband and not POTS. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> but if Google buys it, they will offer internet service really, >>>>> really cheap or for free. They are making BILLIONS of dollars >>>>> profit every year without doing anything... >>>> >>>> >>>> They are organizing data. They are selling advertizing space. CBS >>>> does that. NBC does that. CNN does that. It is not nothing. >>>> >>>> >>>>> so they really have a lot of money they can throw at whatever they >>>>> want. >>>> >>>> Good. I am all for competitors to the ILECs and I sincerely hope >>>> that Google gets some of that spectrum and offers the public a >>>> third option... >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let's run some quick numbers... just for the fun of it... >>>>> >>>>> 700mhz Access Point at roughly $2,000 each >>>>> 700mhz CPE at roughly $200 each >>>>> >>>>> Let's use a 50:1 ratio of CPE to AP, so it would be $12,000 for >>>>> each AP/CPE combo. They would be able to charge something for the >>>>> CPE, so that money can be used for other tower expenses (UPS, >>>>> switches, etc.). Using only their profit for a single MONTH, they >>>>> could put up 83,000 access points and deliver 4.1 million CPE. >>>>> They could, almost instantly, become the single largest ISP in the >>>>> world. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Hey, and that would really level the playing field with the big >>>> boys, wouldn't it? >>>> >>>> >>>>> It just gets scary when you actually realize that a BILLION is one >>>>> thousand MILLION dollars. >>>> >>>> Yes but investors are investors, aren't they? Investors are often >>>> hesitant to let a company explore new territory. They would not be >>>> allowed to drop all their eggs in that one basket and they could >>>> not put the infrastructure in place that fast either. >>>> >>>> If you are looking for something to fear, fear the ILECs. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- >>>> >>>> Would you like to see your advertisement here? 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