Who have you been getting information\pricing from on the Aperto and Airspan products?
---------- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Booher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future > comments inline. > On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> Anyone doing a 20 MHz channel? > > Not to my knowedge. >> >> >> Would that be enough capacity to allow for typical oversubscription >> on say a >> 10 meg client? > > Certainly. > >> >> >> What does it cost to get the first AP up ($5k, $15k, $50k)? > > Between 5-10k > >> >> >> What does it cost to get additional APs up ($2k, $10k, $30k)? > > Between 5-10k > > >> >> >> >> ---------- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jeff Booher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >> >> >>> Chuck, >>> >>> Airspan / Aperto are both shipping 5x Ghz wimax products. >>> >>> Throughput is about 26mb peak for the Airspan product on 10mhz >>> channels, and 22mb on the Aperto product in 7mhz channels. Also, >>> there >>> are ways to get around the exclusion zones, if you find out who the >>> licenseholders are. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:20 PM, CHUCK PROFITO wrote: >>> >>>> Patrick, >>>> Excellent point on channel sizes! >>>> So if WiMAX is released in unlicensed frequencies of 900, 2.4? , >>>> 5.X, 3.6 >>>> (we are in a big exclusion zone.) >>>> I imagine if you deployed in 2.4 it would smoke the home routers. >>>> Would our capacity double for the same channel sizes? >>>> Would it use the same channel sizes? >>>> Would it help with range and capacity? >>>> Will WiMax help tree penetration? Can Physics be bent? >>>> In legacy deployments, would or could it improve our back hauls? >>>> >>>> >>>> Chuck Profito >>>> 209-988-7388 >>>> CV-ACCESS, INC >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Providing High Speed Broadband >>>> to Rural Central California >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO >>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:01 AM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>>> >>>> Patrick, >>>> If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, >>>> what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: >>>> 2 miles los? >>>> 2 miles wooded? >>>> 5 m los? >>>> 5 m nlos? >>>> 10 m los? >>>> 10 m nlos >>>> ?? >>>> Is this a fair question? >>>> >>>> Chuck Profito >>>> 209-988-7388 >>>> CV-ACCESS, INC >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Providing High Speed Broadband >>>> to Rural Central California >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary >>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>>> >>>> The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours >>>> great >>>> headaches. The stupid "70 miles 30 mbps" was the most absurd bit of >>>> hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. >>>> Meanwhile, Mo >>>> Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) >>>> was >>>> trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public >>>> sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the >>>> expectations. I >>>> did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. >>>> >>>> WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's >>>> greatest >>>> near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. >>>> >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown >>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>>> >>>> WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>>> >>>> >>>>> I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only >>>>> partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree >>>>> strongly >>>> on >>>>> the "WiMAX is dead" part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). >>>>> >>>>> The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong >>>>> opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. >>>>> >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>>>> >>>>> WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually >>>>> true >>>>> but >>>>> emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies >>>>> and >>>>> technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited >>>>> to >>>>> compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will >>>> never >>>>> live >>>>> up to the hype. >>>>> >>>>> All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the >>>> go. >>>>> Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value >>>>> driven >>>>> customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value >>>>> leader >>>> for >>>>> >>>>> fixed wireless. technologies. >>>>> >>>>> 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more >>>>> cell >>>>> spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited >>>>> amounts >>>> of >>>>> data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of >>>>> the >>>>> antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less >>>>> gain >>>>> than >>>>> the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. >>>>> Also >>>>> there >>>>> will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing >>>>> TV >>>>> stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I >>>>> don't >>>>> know if >>>>> they get a special dispensation or what. >>>>> >>>>> All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That >>>> will >>>>> erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and >>>> capital >>>>> intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many >>>>> folks >>>>> prefer >>>>> to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior >>>>> customer >>>>> service >>>>> and support will always retain the customer. >>>>> >>>>> The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot >>>>> and >>>>> drop >>>>> the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer >>>>> base >>>>> from >>>>> DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well >>>>> as >>>>> they >>>>> could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash >>>>> situation >>>>> from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) >>>> from >>>>> the >>>>> other. >>>>> >>>>> In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web >>>>> development, >>>>> OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell >>>> opportunities. >>>>> >>>>> All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA >>>> HDTV. >>>>> OTA >>>>> HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the >>>>> value >>>>> conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and >>>> help >>>>> folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP >>>>> install >>>>> and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer >>>>> service. >>>>> You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost >>>> package. >>>>> >>>>> In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you >>>>> will >>>>> ride >>>>> this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come >>>>> along >>>>> for us >>>>> to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 >>>>> years, >>>>> if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "WISPA List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Future >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 >>>>>> years? >>>>>> >>>>>> AT&T is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of >>>>>> town?) >>>>>> Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of >>>>>> town?) >>>>>> Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 >>>>>> 3G will gain more steam >>>>>> WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market >>>>>> 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big >>>>> guys >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions >>>>>> are. >>>>>> >>>>>> My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to >>>> avoid >>>>> the >>>>>> niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better >>>>> services >>>>>> with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly >>>>>> TV >>>>>> white spaces) and WiMAX. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> -------- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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