Tom, those speeds are possible with non-advantage P10 hardware. Version 9 of the software gives you 6800 pps too on P10 hardware.
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Josh Luthman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Rick, > > When you reference Trango are you referring to the Access 5800 series? > > > > > On 11/1/08, RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree with Tom. I tried Canopy but didnt like this aspect of it. So, > > I continued using Trango and love them! -RickG > > > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> Chuck, > >> > >> Not to rain on your parade but... I'm a little confused on how 10.2 mbps > >> is > >> possible w/ Canopy. Advantage series peak capacity is just for short > range > >> customers, and a large percentage of the capacity can be voided by by > the > >> farther out slower non-advantage CPEs. When Up/down rate ratios have to > be > >> pre-fined (for syncing) that limits the radio from using the ful > capacity > >> of > >> the Radio. Its one of the big reasons that we chose Trango 8 years ago > >> originally, so that it was infact possible to get full radio speed in > one > >> direction when it was available in low usage time, so we could quote > >> higher > >> speeds to business symetrical customers. > >> > >> Sure, if we consider 14mb real world advantage best case for Advantage > >> series, use all advantage series CPE, and do a 70 / 30 download to > upload, > >> sure 10mbps peak downloads are possible for a single client, in that > >> scenario. Provided that the WISP was fine with all other customers > being > >> 100% STARVED at the time the one customer was monopolizing the peak > >> capacity. > >> We tried that once, and it was a big mistake because it caused latency > to > >> sky rocket for all the other customers when they first attempted to use > >> capacity, and the feel of the circuit because very bursty feeling. The > >> short > >> pauses made it feel like something was wrong with the circuit. TCP could > >> not > >> deal with it properly, it needs time to tune. Because of TCP's > reaction, > >> it > >> actually translated to a slower experience than if we just gave > customers > >> half the speed. So.... My Points is.... > >> > >> Your concept of bursting a HIGH capacity for short periods is a sound > >> concept, provided that you never let one cusomer have ALL your > bandwdith. > >> Headroom is needed. We found that if we let our customers burst to half > >> the > >> radio full capacity, we could use the same technique sucessfully because > >> all > >> the other subs were NEVER starved from bandwidth. > >> > >> We tried pushing the limits, such as allowing 7-8mb out of the 10mb, > but > >> it > >> was to risky to do that because there were times when the full 10mbps > was > >> not achieve, such as when link quality degraded and retransmission > occured > >> do to RF packetloss, or when small packets were being used instead of > pull > >> packet size. Customers would suffer with the effects of non bandwdith > >> shaping. > >> There was also some issues with how well bandwdith shaping worked on > Intel > >> systems at 10mbps, as 10mbps speeds is about the peak speed before it > >> exceed > >> Intel's interupt clock limits of 100 ticks per second, nor was common > Fair > >> Weighted Queuing method able to be operation simultanoeus to trying to > be > >> used with Burst bucket type queuing. (Unless you aren't using Intel) > >> > >> So if we have a 10mbps HDX radio, we would sell peak 5 mbps services, > and > >> this would allow us to deliver good non-bursty performance without > delays, > >> and let us acheive high over subscription rates. And if we had a FDX > >> imulated radio, that downloaded at 10mbps, again 5mbps would be the peak > >> speed we allowed in our bursting. > >> > >> To keep it Real, With Canopy Advantage series, I'd highly recommend to > >> WISPs > >> that they do not commit to offer peak speeds above 5mbps per customer. > It > >> can result in severe degration at some customers sites that could be > going > >> on, and the WISP never really know it if they weren't sitting in front > of > >> the end user computers experiencing exactly what the end user was > >> experienceing. And if you don't believe me, and want to push the > limits, > >> maybe 7mbps, but anything above that... its getting risky. > >> > >> That is provided that you'd be advertising Real Transfer Speed, instead > of > >> gross over the air speed. There have been some WISP that have quoted > >> "11mbps" for 2.4Ghz DSSS wifi systems that could only pass 3mbps, > because > >> they quoted Hardware gross specs and not real throughput. But in todays > >> world, that is gettign harder and harder to do, with the many online > speed > >> test sites that are becoming common practice for end users to use to > test > >> their speeds. Its darn near impossible to get a full 10mbps speed test > >> result from these test sites over a wireless nework, and much easier to > >> achieve a 5mbps test, do to the distance, windowsize, latency variables > >> that > >> can effect TCP's real world throughput. (For example, 64k windowsize at > >> 80ms, will only allow about a 3mbps transfer to occur). > >> > >> Don't misunderstand me, I'm not bashing Canopy... We have actually > started > >> to use some Canopy Advantage series on our shorter range sectors, where > >> verticle pol was free. (because we can find them on EBAY cheap, with all > >> the > >> Muni projects going south). I'm actually very impressed with their > speed > >> and quality of RF. But I'm just sharing what we've learned with > Bandwidth > >> management, since we've been doing it since 2001. > >> > >> Maybe the Canopy 400series, can deliver the higher throughputs ? I > heard > >> Motorolla was planning on making a 5.8G model of teh 400 series? > >> > >> Tom DeReggi > >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:09 PM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers > >> > >> > >>> Our Canopy customers are used to getting 10.2 Mbps download speed. If > >>> the > >>> start a huge file transfer they get wide open throttle for a while > (that > >>> while depends on their rate plan) then they get throttled until that > >>> particular file transfer is over. Once they stop, wide open throttle > >>> again. They love it. The power users call in and upgrade their rate > >>> plan > >>> all the time. Excellent up sell opportunities with zero effort. > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Travis Johnson > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 10:30 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers > >>> > >>> > >>> How does Canopy fix a customer satisfaction problem? If they are used > to > >>> getting 5Mbps download speed and you have to cap them at 1Mbps, it > >>> doesn't > >>> really matter what platform you are using. > >>> > >>> Travis > >>> Microserv > >>> > >>> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > >>> Canopy... > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:59 AM > >>> Subject: [WISPA] heavy usage customers > >>> > >>> > >>> Does anyone else here have customer/s that consume so much bandwidth > >>> that > >>> you have to throttle them down after say 5 minutes of downloading. And > >>> what > >>> do you tell them when they start complaining about the throttled down > >>> speed. > >>> (they don't know your throttling them though) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Kurt Fankhauser > >>> WAVELINC > >>> P.O. 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