You pay per antenna/tower, then a transformation fee from KML to Google
Maps.  Contact information is here:

http://www.wirelessmapping.com/contact_information_for_wirelessmapping.htm

Josh Luthman
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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>  What is the cost per subscriber for all this?
>
> John McDowell wrote:
>
> Here is a screenshot of my company's RF mapping integration with Powercode.
> Brian Webster (www.wirelessmapping.com) provides the mapping service and we
> have overlaid his map into the GoogleMaps interface that's already built
> into Powercode (www.powercode.com), complete with all types of customers and
> infrastructure. Here's a cool feature, you can click on any of the pins and
> it pulls up that customer's contact information, which is all hyperlinked
> directly to your version of Powercode.
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
>
>  Tim,
>
> Now that you have made your shameless self promotion sales pitch :-)  I
> thought I'd scrutinize your comments, palying devils advocate :-)
>
> I have not looked at your BOSS software or Firmwre, so I am asking blind at
> this point. But I am interested in your perspective, since you are
> interested in WISP markets.
>
>
>
>  AP and CPE devices will need to use our firmware but
> once installed can be managed from anywhere. We currently have our
> firmware
> ported to half a dozen devices and we're working on adding more ports all
> the time.
>
>
>  The above was the key comment that got my attention, and how that would
> reflect the reality of what could be a viable target market..
>
> Is it really realistic to "use a BOSS provider's Firmware on APs and CPEs"?
> Come on.... WISPs have graduated basic Wifi APs and CPEs. It has taken
> almost a decade for the Firmware leaders of today to develop feature rich
> products that WISPs can actually count on working well enough for
> commercial
> deployment. (examples... Mikrotik, StarOS, Ligowave, etc).
> Why would a WISP risk a tried and true solution to convert to something
> new,
> just for integration into a BOSS system? Could they risk that?  Thats like
> going to a CLEC provider and saying... "We have this new BOSS system, would
> you mind just throwing away all your CISCOs.".  Generally what WISPs would
> want more is a BOSS system that could integrate will all their pre-eixsting
> diverse product lines. As a WISP, we all know there are a lot of tools in
> the toolbox, and there is the right tool for each type of job. Even the
> WISPs most religious to staying true to one brand have branched out to use
> many different product lines, because technical reasons and differences in
> their technology forced them to, if they wanted to stay competitive.  I
> would find it more viable to have a "agent" application that could be
> integrated into pre-existing OS, to add compatibility. (although that could
> also be a huge task technically, and politically also)
>
> When a BOSS requires its own Firmware for devices, it usually means that
> the
> WISPs will now need two BOSS systems. One for their new proprietary system,
> and one for all their other stuff. That means duplication of ALL costs.
> Labor, hardware, CC processing, learning curve, documentation, etc, etc. So
> teh service subscribption could no longer be justified as a time saver, as
> it would be yet another application "added" to the list to manage.  Also
> note a platform change is not jsut a technology change, it is also a
> process
> change.
>
> Do not misunderstand me, I am NOT Bashing your product. I'm just sharing
> the
> first thoughts that came to my mind, when I don't yet understand your
> product, and it would potentually be a thought likely to cross other WISP's
> minds.
>
> How do you feel your product, will or could fit into an existing WISP's
> operation?  And what processes/features could be extended to pre-existing
> models?
> To be more politically correct, this is a question not necessarilly
> directed
> specifically to your product, but any product that offers a more narrow
> specialized management solution (such as HotSpot) to integrate into an
> exist
> provider's network of any type.
>
> A trend I see is many vendors are providing RMS systems for their radio
> firmware platforms. (I'll spare you the list, but atleast 10 I could name
> off teh top of my head). However, most are jsut compatible with their own
> product, which takes away a large part of the value proposition for many
> WISPs.  I personally, see 2009 and 2010 being about increasing BOSS's
> compatibilty to encompass a much larger models and products.  The analogy I
> like to use is looking at a company like at  Comcast or a Verizon. Would
> they give their support staff 5 different OSS platforms to manage all the
> peices of their network? WISPS are growing, and there is a dream for one
> platform that does it all, and it will be even more importnat as teh roll
> ups occur. Or will it be a technical impossibilty?
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system
>
>
>
>
>  While you guys are on the topic could I also ask you to look at our
> offering?
>
> We've been selling hot spot systems for the hospitality industry since
> 2004
> but over the past year have started putting together a package for WISPs.
> We've branded the WISP solution Avansu (http://www.avansu.com).
>
> Avansu is a B/OSS provided entirely as a service (via the browser), no
> software to install. AP and CPE devices will need to use our firmware but
> once installed can be managed from anywhere. We currently have our
> firmware
> ported to half a dozen devices and we're working on adding more ports all
> the time.
>
> Avansu offers the following:
> - Billing (subscriptions, credit card payments, scratch cards etc)
> - Remote management, configuration and reboot of APs and CPEs
> - Monitoring and alerting via SMS and email (with automated failover if
> available)
> - Fully customizable login pages for CPEs and APs (including own domain)
> - Fully customizable credit card billing and subscription pages
>
>
>  (including
>
>
>  own domain)
> - Reports on usage and revenue for single nodes, groups of nodes or the
> whole system
>
> The main advantage of Avansu is that APs and CPEs work the same no matter
> what hardware (vendor) is used. Once the Avansu firmware is installed
> nodes
> can be deployed by simply copying configuration parameters from one unit
> to
> another via the server.
>
> We're still in beta for WISPs, we'll be launching fully in January 2009.
> Until launch we're offering free accounts so let me know off list if
>
>
>  you'd
>
>
>  like to try our system.
>
> Sorry for the self promotion but you guys were discussing the topic, I
> couldn't help myself ;-)
>
>
> Tim Barker
>
> Fire4 Systems (UK) Ltd.
> Round Foundry Media Centre,
> Foundry Street,
> Leeds,
> LS11 5QP,
> UK
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> UK Tel: +44 (0)7976 122 191
> US Tel: +1 305-914-0364
> http://www.fire4.comhttp://www.avansu.comhttp://www.wispzone.com
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>
>
>  wrote:
>
>
>  On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>
>
>  While I'm not yet using it, Freeside is quite impressive.  I'd like
> to refer you to Jeremy Davis of maximumtech.us for more
> information.
>
>
>  While I agree that FS is a good application and can do PARTS of what
> he asked for, it does not do all of it.  Jeremy Davis is a good man
> for FreeSide without question.
>
> Perhaps it's the top posting that made is so that you didn't
> remember all the requirements?  See my example in this email...
>
>
>
>  Some things it has to have:
>
>
>   A system that integrates with a bandwidth management and auto
> shutdown for delinquent accounts.
>
>
>  FS can do this in the hands of an Expert like Jeremy.
>
>
>
>  Can process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble
> tickets afterward including installer scheduling.
>
>
>  Unless Jeremy has done some extra work with FS, It does not fulfill
> these CRM requirements.
>
>
>
>  Can actually accurately and consistently send a bill by email to a
> customer........... <- major importance.
>
>
>  This is what FS does "for a living".
>
>
>
>  Credit Card processing.
>
>
>  This, too.
>
>
>
>  Decent and totally customizable report generating system.
> Customer portal.
>
>
>  Both of these are doable in FS and both are customizable.
>
>
>
>  Things that would be a bonus
> Inventory management
> Network monitoring
>
>
>  FS isn't equipped to do either of these.
>
> See, Mike?  I was able to address each section of the request and
> anyone who reads it will be easily able to follow the conversation.
> Also, all irrelevant information has been removed.
>
>
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