Rick Sadly I am not hearing any emphasis on fiber to the independent provider, just high bandwidth to the consumer.
RickG wrote: > Thats what I'm hoping for. Otherwise, a 10x10 fiber from TimeWarner for > $1800 is considered an upgrade in these parts! > -RickG > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:24 PM, George Rogato <wi...@oregonfast.net>wrote: > >> Yeah I realize that. We're luycky that Boneville and Williams did a big >> fiber deal many years ago that put fiber all across the North West.. >> Still is not easy to get access, the transport costs are quite high, but >> it's possible. >> >> maybe some of the emp[hasis on the broadband stimulus money ought to be >> pointed at getting big fiber pipes to the area or region rather than >> getting fiber to the home. >> >> >> >> >> RickG wrote: >>> George, >>> Sounds great and mus be nice but there are no facilities in the >> boondocks! >>> -RickG >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:15 PM, George Rogato <wi...@oregonfast.net >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Kinda high >>>> If you are lucky and you have access to fiber consider this >>>> >>>> Cogent, if you buy a GigE port and commit to 200 megs, you can have it >>>> for $5.00 per meg, or minimum of $1,000.00 per month and that comes with >>>> a whopping 200 megs, if you need to exceed 200 megs, it's just $5.00 per >>>> meg. >>>> >>>> If you get to $4,000 per month usage, then the price drops to $4.00 per >>>> meg. >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> >>>> Blair Davis wrote: >>>>> Some simple numbers... >>>>> >>>>> $1700/month for 10Mbits. Much better than the $600 per 1.54Mbit I was >>>>> paying out here. >>>>> >>>>> 1Mbit per Netflix or IPTV user. >>>>> >>>>> $170 cost of bandwidth per user. >>>>> >>>>> Users out here are not going to pay that. Period. >>>>> >>>>> The problem, out in the rural areas at least, is not delivering the >>>>> bandwidth, it is getting it at a reasonable cost. >>>>> >>>>> These apps use an order of magnitude more bandwidth than the standard >>>>> web browsing and email apps we are used to. But the users don't and >>>>> won't understand that. >>>>> >>>>> If you went to buy a new TV and it used an order of magnitude more >> power >>>>> to run it, your electric bill would soon show you the error of your >> ways. >>>>> The only real solution to this problem is to move to per bit pricing. >>>>> That way, users will see the cost of what they are doing and adjust >>>>> their usage to what they are willing to pay for. >>>>> >>>>> Netflix, IPTV and other apps like them simply shift the their cost of >>>>> doing business to us. Unless we either refuse to support these apps, >> or >>>>> begin billing our users for them, it will kill us. >>>>> >>>>> The cable and dsl providers are starting to figure this out. >>>>> >>>>> Blair >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi wrote: >>>>>>> Why is the wireless world happy with being 10 years behind the wired >>>>>>> world? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Depends who you are referring by stating "wireless world". >>>>>> >>>>>> The WISP providers are surely NOT "happy" with that. They are just >>>>>> realistic about what they have available. >>>>>> And they are creative enough to understand that there are still >> markets >>>>>> willing to deal with that, because WISPs have other things to offer of >>>> equal >>>>>> or greater value, to creat a WISP market. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm also not sure the public is "happy" with that. I haven't heard one >>>>>> public advocate at Broadband public meetings advocating "Please give >>>> money >>>>>> to wireless companies so we can have slower service". Wireless will >> be >>>> a >>>>>> part of Stimulus grants because... We can argue we'll get you service >>>>>> sooner, and we'll stretch the dollar further to serve more areas and >>>> people, >>>>>> so less people get left without being served, and more people get >> better >>>>>> service than they currently have. In the long run, with Wireless, >>>> consumers >>>>>> will have to compromise for less, in exchange for the instant >>>> gratification >>>>>> that can be gained today. >>>>>> >>>>>> WISPs deal with it because comparatively they are either broke, lazy, >> or >>>>>> impatient, in order to meet demand. Or I should say, don't want to end >>>> up >>>>>> broke. >>>>>> I'm not meaning to be derogatory in using those terms. What I mean >> is... >>>>>> Sure we'd all like to lay fiber. We just don't want to wait 20 years >>>> for an >>>>>> ROI (impatient :-). We don't have millions and billions of Finance >>>> capabilty >>>>>> upfront (broke :-). >>>>>> We don't want to spend years trying to get permits and negotiating >>>> easements >>>>>> with entities that care less about advancing our cause quickly (lazy >>>> :-). >>>>>> The truth is Monopolies are willing to do all these things. But they >>>> also >>>>>> grudgingly backout of their committments and delay as long as >> possible, >>>>>> because honestly they don't want to do it either, and are even more >>>> lazy, >>>>>> and clearly have all the time in the world, without competition >> forcing >>>> them >>>>>> to work harder. >>>>>> >>>>>> The truth is, Wireless providers DO NEED faster equipment. And the >>>> Truth >>>>>> is, we really aren't "lazy". (I was just kidding before :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> So.... WiMax vendors, Make us faster equipment!!! That we can Afford >>>>>> today!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a lot of grant money comming up this year. Here is your >> chance >>>> for >>>>>> volume orders, from the WISP market. Give us a reason to stay wireless >>>>>> providers and not to become a fiber provider. Backhaul transport >>>> providers >>>>>> are doing their part. But I think last mile manufacturers still have >> to >>>> do a >>>>>> better job. But more importantly give grant Decission makers a reason >> to >>>>>> favor wireless. Give them speeds that public advocates will be excited >>>>>> about. And give us price points that will let us do microcells to >>>> accomplish >>>>>> top penetration. Wimax isn;t competing against wifi anymore, they are >>>>>> competing against fiber. I admit, Its a tall order to fill. But I >> think >>>>>> clever innovators should be able to fill it. >>>>>> >>>>>> $7 billion is not a lot to come anywhere close to helping "All" >>>> Americans >>>>>> get next generation broadband. But $7 billion is a hech of a lot of >>>> money >>>>>> to inject into an ISP manufacturer industry. Lets just say $1 billion >> of >>>> it >>>>>> would go to Wireless infrastructure. Thats a lot of gear. Lets start >>>>>> getting creative with those volume order low price offers? How low can >>>> you >>>>>> go to get a peice of that $billion? >>>>>> >>>>>> Manufacturers, Let us know! The industry is writing their grant >>>> proposals >>>>>> now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Kevin Suitor" <ksui...@redlinecommunications.com> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:23 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Folks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I seem to have too much time on my hands since I'm on vacation. This >>>>>>> thread prompted me to put a quick back of the napkin ROI analysis >>>>>>> together to see which service options I'd want to be pushing on the >>>>>>> market. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I did was review Bell Canada's service offer - why, because they >>>>>>> offer Wireless, DSL & Fiber based Internet services in competition to >>>>>>> Rogers Cable and Cogeco Cable (ON) and Videotron and Cogeco Cable(Qc) >>>>>>> along with a variety of WISPs, satellite providers, in other words >> the >>>>>>> entire spectrum of competition. As many of you may know Canada ranks >>>> in >>>>>>> the top 10 worldwide for broadband penetration according to the >> latest >>>>>>> OECD rankings with 23.8% BB penetration, the United States ranked >> 15th >>>>>>> with 19.6% penetration. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I opted not to include their wireless offer in the model. For the >>>>>>> record their 512/512 Portable Internet service using an AC powered >>>>>>> indoor CPE as the terminal device selling for $17.95/month; they >> offer >>>> a >>>>>>> 2000/800 Rural service with either indoor or outdoor CPE beginning at >>>>>>> $40/month; and a 3000/1000 Portable using the same indoor CPE as in >> the >>>>>>> first offer. All CPE are sold at $99 to the customer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I've done is outline the UL/DL speeds, cost per month, and a >>>>>>> sliding scale of oversubscription rates (actual rate used by Bell >> seems >>>>>>> to be between 20 and 40 based upon historical data depending on >> take-up >>>>>>> rate in an area. This then generates a kbps / subscriber figure >> which >>>>>>> was then divided into the capacity per sector (I'm using the average >>>>>>> real world sector capacity from our worldwide base of 7 MHz RedMAX >>>>>>> customers as reported by our Redline Management Suite application >> that >>>>>>> we use to monitor production networks under a professional services >>>>>>> agreement). I then divided this by the avg kbps/client to calculate >>>> the >>>>>>> maximum subscribers per sector. I then took the peak subs multiplied >>>> by >>>>>>> monthly ARPU to calculate the monthly and annual peak revenue stream >>>> per >>>>>>> sector. The required CAPEX per sector was calculated based upon a >>>>>>> sector controller, shared common costs (GPS, UPS, tower climb, and >>>> other >>>>>>> site acquisition costs - WW avg.) and the cost of the number of CPE >>>>>>> required by the peak subscriber calculation. The ROI in months is >> the >>>>>>> CAPEX divided by the monthly ARPU. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've highlighted the sweet spot avg 18 month ROI lines in each model >>>>>>> that indicates with between 19 and 229 subscribers, depending upon >> the >>>>>>> SLA you'd be able to achieve and ROI acceptable to almost any >> financier >>>>>>> using WiMAX. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers! >>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> NOTE: Modeled upon Bell Canada's Internet Service offer when using a >>>>>>> WiMAX BTS to deliver the stated SLAs (all are best effort, >> residential >>>>>>> services on a 7 MHz channel with mix of LOS and NLOS customers): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Monthly Max Subs per >>>>>>> Sector Monthly ARPU / Annual ARPU / Required CAPEX / ROI >>>>>>> ARPU kbps Down kbps Up Total kbps Oversubscription >>>>>>> kbps Required/Sub 16000 loaded sector loaded sector loaded >>>>>>> sector (months) >>>>>>> $ 17.95 Essential 500 500 1000 40 25 >>>>>>> 640 $ 11,488.00 $ 137,856.00 $ >>>>>>> 300,750 26.17949 >>>>>>> $ 27.95 Essential+ 2000 800 2800 40 70 >>>>>>> 229 $ 6,388.57 $ 76,662.86 $ >>>>>>> 115,607 18.09593 >>>>>>> $ 37.95 Performance 7000 1000 8000 40 200 >>>>>>> 80 $ 3,036.00 $ 36,432.00 $ >>>>>>> 48,750 16.05731 >>>>>>> $ 42.95 MAX10 10000 1000 11000 40 275 >>>>>>> 58 $ 2,498.91 $ 29,986.91 $ >>>>>>> 38,932 15.57953 >>>>>>> $ 72.95 MAX16 16000 1000 17000 40 425 >>>>>>> 38 $ 2,746.35 $ 32,956.24 $ >>>>>>> 29,691 10.81113 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Monthly Max Subs per >>>>>>> Sector Monthly ARPU / Annual ARPU / Required CAPEX / ROI >>>>>>> ARPU kbps Down kbps Up Total kbps Oversubscription >>>>>>> kbps Required/Sub 16000 loaded sector loaded sector loaded >>>>>>> sector (months) >>>>>>> $ 17.95 Essential 500 500 1000 30 33 >>>>>>> 480 $ 8,616.00 $ 103,392.00 $ >>>>>>> 228,750 26.54944 >>>>>>> $ 27.95 Essential+ 2000 800 2800 30 93 >>>>>>> 171 $ 4,791.43 $ 57,497.14 $ >>>>>>> 89,893 18.76118 >>>>>>> $ 37.95 Performance 7000 1000 8000 30 267 >>>>>>> 60 $ 2,277.00 $ 27,324.00 $ >>>>>>> 39,750 17.45718 >>>>>>> $ 42.95 MAX10 10000 1000 11000 30 367 >>>>>>> 44 $ 1,874.18 $ 22,490.18 $ >>>>>>> 32,386 17.28027 >>>>>>> $ 72.95 MAX16 16000 1000 17000 30 567 >>>>>>> 28 $ 2,059.76 $ 24,717.18 $ >>>>>>> 25,456 12.35864 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Monthly Max Subs per >>>>>>> Sector Monthly ARPU / Annual ARPU / Required CAPEX / ROI >>>>>>> ARPU kbps Down kbps Up Total kbps Oversubscription >>>>>>> kbps Required/Sub 16000 loaded sector loaded sector loaded >>>>>>> sector (months) >>>>>>> $ 17.95 Essential 500 500 1000 20 50 >>>>>>> 320 $ 5,744.00 $ 68,928.00 $ >>>>>>> 156,750 27.28935 >>>>>>> $ 27.95 Essential+ 2000 800 2800 20 140 >>>>>>> 114 $ 3,194.29 $ 38,331.43 $ >>>>>>> 64,179 20.09168 >>>>>>> $ 37.95 Performance 7000 1000 8000 20 400 >>>>>>> 40 $ 1,518.00 $ 18,216.00 $ >>>>>>> 30,750 20.25692 >>>>>>> $ 42.95 MAX10 10000 1000 11000 20 550 >>>>>>> 29 $ 1,249.45 $ 14,993.45 $ >>>>>>> 25,841 20.68175 >>>>>>> $ 72.95 MAX16 16000 1000 17000 20 850 >>>>>>> 19 $ 1,373.18 $ 16,478.12 $ >>>>>>> 21,221 15.45365 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:58 PM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2 megs is yesterday's news. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> U-Verse is 18/1.5 >>>>>>> FiOS is 50/20 >>>>>>> Charter has 60/5 >>>>>>> Comcast has 50/10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2 megs is 36 times faster than 56k. Charter is 30 times faster than >>>>>>> that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why is the wireless world happy with being 10 years behind the wired >>>>>>> world? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> From: "Kevin Suitor" <ksui...@redlinecommunications.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:42 AM >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have customers worldwide who operate sectors typically with >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> hundreds >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> of residential clients with 2 Mbps downlink / 256 or 512 kbps uplink >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> some with who run entry level service (by NA standards) of 384 kbps >>>>>>>> downlink / 128 kbps uplink that have an average of 250 clients per >>>>>>>> sector with 6 sectors per BTS in an urban market. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The WiMAX MAC is much more sophisticated than other MACs used in >>>>>>>> wireless networking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> ] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a >>>>>>>> WiMAX >>>>>>>> AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> From: "Jeff Booher" <jefftho...@fastmail.fm> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM >>>>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base >>>>>>>>> station, >>>>>>>>> that only supports 30 subscribers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: >> wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM >>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm certainly interested in ptmp. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? >>>>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>>>>>>> g...@aeronetpr.com >>>>>>>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>>>>>>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: >> wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>> ] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Take care leon >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking into this too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> install >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> see >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> that tower.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Anyone have any better ideas? >>>>>>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <motor...@wispa.org>; "WISPA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> General >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> List" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Fellow operators: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any updates on experiences with: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, >>>>>>>>>>>> Airspan ??? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gino A. 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