I knew of NOANET, but their network map is hard to find.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "George Rogato" <wi...@oregonfast.net> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 12:39 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? > I'm all set for now Mike. > We have been connected to another one your missing, Light Speed > Networks, formerly NOAHNET, since 2002 > > Recently we just got a new fiber carrier in town, they did a submarine > cable to Alaska. it lands just up the street from us and they work with > my fiber carrier. > Right now they have 4 10GigE circuits that go from here to Alaska and > who knows where. > > Thats what I would call capacity. > > > > > Mike Hammett wrote: >> It is 60 ish miles away, but Eugene has Electric Lightwave, 360 networks, >> Global Crossing, Level3 (they may even have fiber in your town). >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "George Rogato" <wi...@oregonfast.net> >> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:24 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >> >>> Yeah I realize that. We're luycky that Boneville and Williams did a big >>> fiber deal many years ago that put fiber all across the North West.. >>> Still is not easy to get access, the transport costs are quite high, but >>> it's possible. >>> >>> maybe some of the emp[hasis on the broadband stimulus money ought to be >>> pointed at getting big fiber pipes to the area or region rather than >>> getting fiber to the home. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> RickG wrote: >>>> George, >>>> Sounds great and mus be nice but there are no facilities in the >>>> boondocks! >>>> -RickG >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:15 PM, George Rogato >>>> <wi...@oregonfast.net>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Kinda high >>>>> If you are lucky and you have access to fiber consider this >>>>> >>>>> Cogent, if you buy a GigE port and commit to 200 megs, you can have it >>>>> for $5.00 per meg, or minimum of $1,000.00 per month and that comes >>>>> with >>>>> a whopping 200 megs, if you need to exceed 200 megs, it's just $5.00 >>>>> per >>>>> meg. >>>>> >>>>> If you get to $4,000 per month usage, then the price drops to $4.00 >>>>> per >>>>> meg. >>>>> >>>>> George >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Blair Davis wrote: >>>>>> Some simple numbers... >>>>>> >>>>>> $1700/month for 10Mbits. Much better than the $600 per 1.54Mbit I >>>>>> was >>>>>> paying out here. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1Mbit per Netflix or IPTV user. >>>>>> >>>>>> $170 cost of bandwidth per user. >>>>>> >>>>>> Users out here are not going to pay that. Period. >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem, out in the rural areas at least, is not delivering the >>>>>> bandwidth, it is getting it at a reasonable cost. >>>>>> >>>>>> These apps use an order of magnitude more bandwidth than the standard >>>>>> web browsing and email apps we are used to. But the users don't and >>>>>> won't understand that. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you went to buy a new TV and it used an order of magnitude more >>>>>> power >>>>>> to run it, your electric bill would soon show you the error of your >>>>>> ways. >>>>>> >>>>>> The only real solution to this problem is to move to per bit pricing. >>>>>> That way, users will see the cost of what they are doing and adjust >>>>>> their usage to what they are willing to pay for. >>>>>> >>>>>> Netflix, IPTV and other apps like them simply shift the their cost of >>>>>> doing business to us. Unless we either refuse to support these apps, >>>>>> or >>>>>> begin billing our users for them, it will kill us. >>>>>> >>>>>> The cable and dsl providers are starting to figure this out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Blair >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom DeReggi wrote: >>>>>>>> Why is the wireless world happy with being 10 years behind the >>>>>>>> wired >>>>>>>> world? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Depends who you are referring by stating "wireless world". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The WISP providers are surely NOT "happy" with that. They are just >>>>>>> realistic about what they have available. >>>>>>> And they are creative enough to understand that there are still >>>>>>> markets >>>>>>> willing to deal with that, because WISPs have other things to offer >>>>>>> of >>>>> equal >>>>>>> or greater value, to creat a WISP market. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm also not sure the public is "happy" with that. I haven't heard >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> public advocate at Broadband public meetings advocating "Please give >>>>> money >>>>>>> to wireless companies so we can have slower service". Wireless will >>>>>>> be >>>>> a >>>>>>> part of Stimulus grants because... We can argue we'll get you >>>>>>> service >>>>>>> sooner, and we'll stretch the dollar further to serve more areas and >>>>> people, >>>>>>> so less people get left without being served, and more people get >>>>>>> better >>>>>>> service than they currently have. In the long run, with Wireless, >>>>> consumers >>>>>>> will have to compromise for less, in exchange for the instant >>>>> gratification >>>>>>> that can be gained today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WISPs deal with it because comparatively they are either broke, >>>>>>> lazy, >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> impatient, in order to meet demand. Or I should say, don't want to >>>>>>> end >>>>> up >>>>>>> broke. >>>>>>> I'm not meaning to be derogatory in using those terms. What I mean >>>>>>> is... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure we'd all like to lay fiber. We just don't want to wait 20 >>>>>>> years >>>>> for an >>>>>>> ROI (impatient :-). We don't have millions and billions of Finance >>>>> capabilty >>>>>>> upfront (broke :-). >>>>>>> We don't want to spend years trying to get permits and negotiating >>>>> easements >>>>>>> with entities that care less about advancing our cause quickly (lazy >>>>> :-). >>>>>>> The truth is Monopolies are willing to do all these things. But >>>>>>> they >>>>> also >>>>>>> grudgingly backout of their committments and delay as long as >>>>>>> possible, >>>>>>> because honestly they don't want to do it either, and are even more >>>>> lazy, >>>>>>> and clearly have all the time in the world, without competition >>>>>>> forcing >>>>> them >>>>>>> to work harder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The truth is, Wireless providers DO NEED faster equipment. And the >>>>> Truth >>>>>>> is, we really aren't "lazy". (I was just kidding before :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So.... WiMax vendors, Make us faster equipment!!! That we can >>>>>>> Afford >>>>>>> today!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a lot of grant money comming up this year. Here is your >>>>>>> chance >>>>> for >>>>>>> volume orders, from the WISP market. Give us a reason to stay >>>>>>> wireless >>>>>>> providers and not to become a fiber provider. Backhaul transport >>>>> providers >>>>>>> are doing their part. But I think last mile manufacturers still have >>>>>>> to >>>>> do a >>>>>>> better job. But more importantly give grant Decission makers a >>>>>>> reason >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> favor wireless. Give them speeds that public advocates will be >>>>>>> excited >>>>>>> about. And give us price points that will let us do microcells to >>>>> accomplish >>>>>>> top penetration. Wimax isn;t competing against wifi anymore, they >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> competing against fiber. I admit, Its a tall order to fill. But I >>>>>>> think >>>>>>> clever innovators should be able to fill it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> $7 billion is not a lot to come anywhere close to helping "All" >>>>> Americans >>>>>>> get next generation broadband. But $7 billion is a hech of a lot of >>>>> money >>>>>>> to inject into an ISP manufacturer industry. Lets just say $1 >>>>>>> billion >>>>>>> of >>>>> it >>>>>>> would go to Wireless infrastructure. Thats a lot of gear. Lets >>>>>>> start >>>>>>> getting creative with those volume order low price offers? How low >>>>>>> can >>>>> you >>>>>>> go to get a peice of that $billion? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Manufacturers, Let us know! The industry is writing their grant >>>>> proposals >>>>>>> now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Kevin Suitor" <ksui...@redlinecommunications.com> >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:23 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Folks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I seem to have too much time on my hands since I'm on vacation. >>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>> thread prompted me to put a quick back of the napkin ROI analysis >>>>>>>> together to see which service options I'd want to be pushing on the >>>>>>>> market. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I did was review Bell Canada's service offer - why, because >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> offer Wireless, DSL & Fiber based Internet services in competition >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> Rogers Cable and Cogeco Cable (ON) and Videotron and Cogeco >>>>>>>> Cable(Qc) >>>>>>>> along with a variety of WISPs, satellite providers, in other words >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> entire spectrum of competition. As many of you may know Canada >>>>>>>> ranks >>>>> in >>>>>>>> the top 10 worldwide for broadband penetration according to the >>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>> OECD rankings with 23.8% BB penetration, the United States ranked >>>>>>>> 15th >>>>>>>> with 19.6% penetration. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I opted not to include their wireless offer in the model. For the >>>>>>>> record their 512/512 Portable Internet service using an AC powered >>>>>>>> indoor CPE as the terminal device selling for $17.95/month; they >>>>>>>> offer >>>>> a >>>>>>>> 2000/800 Rural service with either indoor or outdoor CPE beginning >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> $40/month; and a 3000/1000 Portable using the same indoor CPE as in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> first offer. All CPE are sold at $99 to the customer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I've done is outline the UL/DL speeds, cost per month, and a >>>>>>>> sliding scale of oversubscription rates (actual rate used by Bell >>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>> to be between 20 and 40 based upon historical data depending on >>>>>>>> take-up >>>>>>>> rate in an area. This then generates a kbps / subscriber figure >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> was then divided into the capacity per sector (I'm using the >>>>>>>> average >>>>>>>> real world sector capacity from our worldwide base of 7 MHz RedMAX >>>>>>>> customers as reported by our Redline Management Suite application >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> we use to monitor production networks under a professional services >>>>>>>> agreement). I then divided this by the avg kbps/client to >>>>>>>> calculate >>>>> the >>>>>>>> maximum subscribers per sector. I then took the peak subs >>>>>>>> multiplied >>>>> by >>>>>>>> monthly ARPU to calculate the monthly and annual peak revenue >>>>>>>> stream >>>>> per >>>>>>>> sector. The required CAPEX per sector was calculated based upon a >>>>>>>> sector controller, shared common costs (GPS, UPS, tower climb, and >>>>> other >>>>>>>> site acquisition costs - WW avg.) and the cost of the number of CPE >>>>>>>> required by the peak subscriber calculation. The ROI in months is >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> CAPEX divided by the monthly ARPU. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've highlighted the sweet spot avg 18 month ROI lines in each >>>>>>>> model >>>>>>>> that indicates with between 19 and 229 subscribers, depending upon >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> SLA you'd be able to achieve and ROI acceptable to almost any >>>>>>>> financier >>>>>>>> using WiMAX. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers! >>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> NOTE: Modeled upon Bell Canada's Internet Service offer when using >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> WiMAX BTS to deliver the stated SLAs (all are best effort, >>>>>>>> residential >>>>>>>> services on a 7 MHz channel with mix of LOS and NLOS customers): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Monthly Max Subs per >>>>>>>> Sector Monthly ARPU / Annual ARPU / Required CAPEX / ROI >>>>>>>> ARPU kbps Down kbps Up Total kbps Oversubscription >>>>>>>> kbps Required/Sub 16000 loaded sector loaded sector loaded >>>>>>>> sector (months) >>>>>>>> $ 17.95 Essential 500 500 1000 40 25 >>>>>>>> 640 $ 11,488.00 $ 137,856.00 $ >>>>>>>> 300,750 26.17949 >>>>>>>> $ 27.95 Essential+ 2000 800 2800 40 70 >>>>>>>> 229 $ 6,388.57 $ 76,662.86 $ >>>>>>>> 115,607 18.09593 >>>>>>>> $ 37.95 Performance 7000 1000 8000 40 200 >>>>>>>> 80 $ 3,036.00 $ 36,432.00 $ >>>>>>>> 48,750 16.05731 >>>>>>>> $ 42.95 MAX10 10000 1000 11000 40 275 >>>>>>>> 58 $ 2,498.91 $ 29,986.91 $ >>>>>>>> 38,932 15.57953 >>>>>>>> $ 72.95 MAX16 16000 1000 17000 40 425 >>>>>>>> 38 $ 2,746.35 $ 32,956.24 $ >>>>>>>> 29,691 10.81113 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Monthly Max Subs per >>>>>>>> Sector Monthly ARPU / Annual ARPU / Required CAPEX / ROI >>>>>>>> ARPU kbps Down kbps Up Total kbps Oversubscription >>>>>>>> kbps Required/Sub 16000 loaded sector loaded sector loaded >>>>>>>> sector (months) >>>>>>>> $ 17.95 Essential 500 500 1000 30 33 >>>>>>>> 480 $ 8,616.00 $ 103,392.00 $ >>>>>>>> 228,750 26.54944 >>>>>>>> $ 27.95 Essential+ 2000 800 2800 30 93 >>>>>>>> 171 $ 4,791.43 $ 57,497.14 $ >>>>>>>> 89,893 18.76118 >>>>>>>> $ 37.95 Performance 7000 1000 8000 30 267 >>>>>>>> 60 $ 2,277.00 $ 27,324.00 $ >>>>>>>> 39,750 17.45718 >>>>>>>> $ 42.95 MAX10 10000 1000 11000 30 367 >>>>>>>> 44 $ 1,874.18 $ 22,490.18 $ >>>>>>>> 32,386 17.28027 >>>>>>>> $ 72.95 MAX16 16000 1000 17000 30 567 >>>>>>>> 28 $ 2,059.76 $ 24,717.18 $ >>>>>>>> 25,456 12.35864 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Monthly Max Subs per >>>>>>>> Sector Monthly ARPU / Annual ARPU / Required CAPEX / ROI >>>>>>>> ARPU kbps Down kbps Up Total kbps Oversubscription >>>>>>>> kbps Required/Sub 16000 loaded sector loaded sector loaded >>>>>>>> sector (months) >>>>>>>> $ 17.95 Essential 500 500 1000 20 50 >>>>>>>> 320 $ 5,744.00 $ 68,928.00 $ >>>>>>>> 156,750 27.28935 >>>>>>>> $ 27.95 Essential+ 2000 800 2800 20 140 >>>>>>>> 114 $ 3,194.29 $ 38,331.43 $ >>>>>>>> 64,179 20.09168 >>>>>>>> $ 37.95 Performance 7000 1000 8000 20 400 >>>>>>>> 40 $ 1,518.00 $ 18,216.00 $ >>>>>>>> 30,750 20.25692 >>>>>>>> $ 42.95 MAX10 10000 1000 11000 20 550 >>>>>>>> 29 $ 1,249.45 $ 14,993.45 $ >>>>>>>> 25,841 20.68175 >>>>>>>> $ 72.95 MAX16 16000 1000 17000 20 850 >>>>>>>> 19 $ 1,373.18 $ 16,478.12 $ >>>>>>>> 21,221 15.45365 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:58 PM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2 megs is yesterday's news. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> U-Verse is 18/1.5 >>>>>>>> FiOS is 50/20 >>>>>>>> Charter has 60/5 >>>>>>>> Comcast has 50/10 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2 megs is 36 times faster than 56k. Charter is 30 times faster >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why is the wireless world happy with being 10 years behind the >>>>>>>> wired >>>>>>>> world? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> From: "Kevin Suitor" <ksui...@redlinecommunications.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:42 AM >>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We have customers worldwide who operate sectors typically with >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hundreds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> of residential clients with 2 Mbps downlink / 256 or 512 kbps >>>>>>>>> uplink >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> some with who run entry level service (by NA standards) of 384 >>>>>>>>> kbps >>>>>>>>> downlink / 128 kbps uplink that have an average of 250 clients per >>>>>>>>> sector with 6 sectors per BTS in an urban market. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The WiMAX MAC is much more sophisticated than other MACs used in >>>>>>>>> wireless networking. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM >>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> WiMAX >>>>>>>>> AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> From: "Jeff Booher" <jefftho...@fastmail.fm> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM >>>>>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro >>>>>>>>>> base >>>>>>>>>> station, >>>>>>>>>> that only supports 30 subscribers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm certainly interested in ptmp. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? >>>>>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>>>>>>>> g...@aeronetpr.com >>>>>>>>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>>>>>>>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>> ] >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Take care leon >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking into this too. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to >>>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that tower.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone have any better ideas? >>>>>>>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <motor...@wispa.org>; "WISPA >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> General >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> List" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fellow operators: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Any updates on experiences with: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Solectek, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Airspan ??? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>>>>>>>>>> g...@aeronetpr.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>>>>>>>>>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> -------- >>>>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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