I'd agree with Tom's idea here. Vendor specific training should run the day before or after INDUSTRY specific training. marlon
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey > Butch, > >>> There are many venues to get quality MT content for example, I'd rather >>> WISPA push content that WISPs cant get anywhere else to push a stronger >>> call to action to come. >> >> I don't understand this statement at all. I am assuming you mean you >> would like to see content in this show that isn't being presented >> elsewhere. If so, what, SPECIFICALLY, would you suggest? > > To explain what I means..... Quality Mikrotik Training available at... > > 1. Butch Evans training acadame (I've seen your name many times on for > pay > training). > 2. Dennis Webinars training, > 3. Microik MUMs > 4. Eje's training camps. > Etc etc etc etc. > > If I want Mikrotik training, it will take me about 2 minutes to go find > some. That is a COMPLIMENT to Mikrotik that they are developing such a > strong support/training base in the USA. So what I'm saying is that a > WISPA > show would not be a unique show of New content if it just became another > standard Mikrotik training siminar. (I'd love to see Mikrotik specific > training as either a parallel thread or piggy back as a day before/after > main show.) > > I do NOT mean to say that Mikrotik shouldn;t have any involvement or > session. Mikrotik should have as much opportunity for exposure as any > other > vendors, and maybe even more because we have so many vendor members that > sell Mikrotik. And we have so many GOOD Mikroik training people as > resources > to WISPA. > > I'm simply suggesting that we look for unique content. I suggested MPLS, > because I have not seen many sessions on MPLS at shows I attended. Its > also > a feature that I think many WISPs dont use yet, because its new, and > ironically its probably one of the most unique things about Mikrotik. I > can > tell you if there was a MPLS for Mikrotik Session, I would surely attend > it. > > But you know, you are probably the better one to ask "what is unique > Mikrotik training?" Because you provide so much training, you probably > know > what you have covered and haven't? What are your suggestions? > > But I'm also not saying it is easy to come up with unique topics, that is > the big challenge of doing a great show. > >> I think the content should include some technical discussions with >> specific products or technologies. To use the example you brought up, >> MPLS, we could build a small MPLS network using Mikrotik and Cisco or >> any other product. There could be a couple of sessions explaining the >> technology, THEN we could provide a "breakout session" where people >> could come in and experiment under the direction of someone who is >> knowledgeable in the particular area. This could be a vendor, >> consultant or end user. It wouldn't matter WHO provided the >> configuration, but someone who could answer questions about the demo. I >> don't see this as "pushing a vendor specific content" as much as USING a >> known vendor for a particular technology. > > I think that is an EXCELLENT idea as a format for the session. > >> Back to reality, it could be Canopy, Mikrotik (nstreme) and maybe >> Alvarion or some others. Each could offer a short "pitch" of what makes >> their solution better (about 5 minute limit each) and the remainder of >> the session could be Q&A. > > Attendees would love that. Although not sure many vendors would like that. > > But You did hit on a hot new topic of polling & TDD. The new trend is > methods to mimic TDD, with hacked 802.11a MACs. > Polling is not a new idea, if go back to Karlnet, Trango, even Waverider. > But there are surely new implentations of it. > We can use Ubiquiti's Airmux's new technique, or Mikrotik's NStreme, or > Ligowave's proprietary MAC. I guess TDD and Polling are two different > things, but its still the same kind if topic. It would be interesting to > get > the low down on the new technology. And compare how they stacked up to the > old methods. Although that might needs some prior R&D testing to gather > data > before the presentation. Or we just let the Vendors come tell us more > about > their new methods. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Butch Evans" <but...@butchevans.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:10 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey > > >> On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 22:08 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: >>> Not that I'm generally a fan to push MT or vendor specific content. >> >> I disagree with your assessment here. More on that below. >> >>> There are many venues to get quality MT content for example, I'd rather >>> WISPA push content that WISPs cant get anywhere else to push a stronger >>> call to action to come. >> >> I don't understand this statement at all. I am assuming you mean you >> would like to see content in this show that isn't being presented >> elsewhere. If so, what, SPECIFICALLY, would you suggest? >> >> I think the content should include some technical discussions with >> specific products or technologies. To use the example you brought up, >> MPLS, we could build a small MPLS network using Mikrotik and Cisco or >> any other product. There could be a couple of sessions explaining the >> technology, THEN we could provide a "breakout session" where people >> could come in and experiment under the direction of someone who is >> knowledgeable in the particular area. This could be a vendor, >> consultant or end user. It wouldn't matter WHO provided the >> configuration, but someone who could answer questions about the demo. I >> don't see this as "pushing a vendor specific content" as much as USING a >> known vendor for a particular technology. >> >> Along the same lines, I'd suggest a round table type discussion for >> other product offerings such as wireless polling, for example. You >> could have a Canopy guy and some "normal" people (sorry...just a JOKE). >> Back to reality, it could be Canopy, Mikrotik (nstreme) and maybe >> Alvarion or some others. Each could offer a short "pitch" of what makes >> their solution better (about 5 minute limit each) and the remainder of >> the session could be Q&A. >> >> I'm not recommending any particular content, but suggesting ideas for >> what I would consider appropriate vs inappropriate content. >> >> -- >> ******************************************************************** >> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >> * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >> ******************************************************************** >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> WISPA Wants You! 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