I believe this is another part of bandwidth based billing that needs to happen - premium bits versus non-premium. Those apps such as video which require priority and higher demand should cost more than the non-priority such as email. Eventually there will have to be a convergence of priority and usage in the ISP billing system of the future. Perhaps then we can drop selling by the speed and switch to a more proper way of billing? On that note is exactly why I am not billing by the bit at my current company. I cant afford to lose the guaranteed $50/month unless there is a sure way to make up for it. I believe that will come from a minimum monthly rate plus usage based upon the above factors. It will have to be implemented correctly and at the right time. -RickG
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote: > I'm totally for metered billing however the customers have all been spoiled > with one price access for years now. To not alienate the customer, would > it > be possible to have the current one price for a particular speed tier with > "unlimited" MB at that speed, set the high use sites down in the list of > priority so that they don't suck up the bandwidth during high use times, > causing buffering of course, but then offer a Multi Media upgrade package > to > move their high use sites up in the list of priorities? Or even to kick in > an added charge per use of certain sites? Such like, they pay 39 bucks for > access but Hulu and Netflix aren't given high priority. They want to use > them, add the Multi-Media package for an extra 10 bucks a month or a per > use > charge, every time they request a download from a listed site they get hit > with a $1.00 charge added to their invoice for that day. Not per request, > just for the day. Pay the buck, watch Hulu all day, sort of thing. > > I'm not a script Guru but I've thought about this for awhile. I've also > thought if the dead raccoons along the road were placed there by other > raccoons to make it look like an accident. I work alone for a reason. > > Bob- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:56 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing > > I mostly agree, it was really just a thought. But, to support my argument > for I point to the telco agreements where they exchange fees for each > others > networks. At any rate, it will probably never happen. With that said, the > end user always pays, its just a matter of how. I'm just searching for a > proper way for them to pay for their services. It just became more > difficult > in the "entitlement mentality" world where people think everything should > be > free. On a positive note, at least bandwidth is getting cheaper. > -RickG > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:34 PM, George Morris > <ghmor...@candlelight.ca>wrote: > > > Rick, I don't think its up to Netflix to pay us. They in turn would have > to > > raise their prices which would further complicate things. > > > > We need to make sure we get a fair price from our customers that reflects > > our costs and hopefully profits. > > > > So the customer pays Netflix and us for the movie they downloaded. > > > > We are moving very quickly to usage based billing too btw. > > > > George > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of RickG > > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:26 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing > > > > In the past, l worked for two electric companies. Their business models > > were > > dependant on meters. As far as internet access, Compuserve and AOL had > the > > right idea from the start. Instead entrepanuers took advantage of their > > weakness at the time. What we are now seeing is the downside of the > > $50/month "all you can eat" business model. When usage was low due to > less > > apps, it worked fine but were now seeing exponential growth of usage. > > Besides that, one thing we (ISP's) are really missing, are agreements > > between each other for payment of access to our networks. For instance, > the > > phone companies pay each other for access to each others networks. I > > realize > > this is very complex but shouldnt Netflix (or their provider) pay us for > > utilziation of our networks? > > -RickG > > > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Eric Rogers <ecrog...@precisionds.com > > >wrote: > > > > > I do agree with you and that works if there are other options. One > > > customer who was downloading 160G, came from DSL and moved into this > > > neighborhood and now wants high speed where we are the only option. It > > > is only a matter of time before others are using Netflix and others. > > > They come in all gaming consoles now. Why not have the customers pay > > > for upgrades? If there is a high demand for services, the demand > drives > > > growth; or fees stifle demand. > > > > > > Maybe my logic is flawed, but if 5% of the customer base is straining > > > the network, shouldn't they pay more? > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > > > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:22 PM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing > > > > > > 10% of your customers will use 90% of your resources. Direct that 10% > > > customer base to cable or DSL and stop worrying about adding complexity > > > to your network. > > > > > > Travis > > > Microserv > > > > > > Chuck Profito wrote: > > > > Marlon does this and smiles every time he signs a Bandwidth Hog! > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Eric Rogers > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:56 AM > > > > To: WISPA General List > > > > Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing > > > > > > > > We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing > > > structure > > > > with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but > they > > > > get charged the overage. Netflix is getting out of control and I > > > don't > > > > want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally. I think > > > > they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new > > > > applications. 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