On Nov 12, 2009, at 2:02 PM, RickG wrote: > Chuck, > > That's the point. The consumer is NOT paying for excessive bandwidth > use. > When bandwidth runs us over $100/meg and one customer uses $300's > worth for > $50/month there is something wrong.
Right, but if that's the case you either charge them or lose the customer (on purpose I mean). You don't try to charge the organization they are downloading from. > The unlimited bandwidth model only works > when you can oversubscribe the bandwidth. With bandwidth usage > climbing > exponentially, the model will soon break. Furthermore, some educated > consumers are finally realizing that they are subsidizing the > bandwidth > hogs. They ask how is that fair? > As far as my Netflix idea, I agree my original idea is probably not > a good > solution. Yep, that's what I was trying to say. I know you're just batting ideas around, which is always healthy. Chuck > I was also a GM at a cable company and maybe we should use them as > a template? HBO, and the other premium channels charge the cable cos > for the > customer's usage which we passed on to the customer for a profit. > Both HBO > and the cable co makes money and everyone wins. > Really, I'm just kicking around ideas because something has to > happen. I'm > not saying I have the right ideas. > As far as the phone companies, AFAIK the LECS still have an exchange > rates > for calls that terminate on another network. It's just transparent > to the > end users. At any rate, this discussion is much needed. > > Thanks to all on this list for their ingenuity which makes this the > best > business field to be in (IMHO)! > -RickG > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Chuck Bartosch > <ch...@clarityconnect.com>wrote: > >> >> On Nov 7, 2009, at 2:25 PM, RickG wrote: >> >>> In the past, l worked for two electric companies. Their business >>> models were >>> dependant on meters. As far as internet access, Compuserve and AOL >>> had the >>> right idea from the start. Instead entrepanuers took advantage of >>> their >>> weakness at the time. What we are now seeing is the downside of the >>> $50/month "all you can eat" business model. When usage was low due >>> to less >>> apps, it worked fine but were now seeing exponential growth of >>> usage. >>> Besides that, one thing we (ISP's) are really missing, are >>> agreements >>> between each other for payment of access to our networks. For >>> instance, the >>> phone companies pay each other for access to each others networks. I >>> realize >>> this is very complex but shouldnt Netflix (or their provider) pay us >>> for >>> utilziation of our networks? >> >> I do not see why they (Netflix) should, no. The consumer is already >> paying you for it. Netflix is not another ISP. It's a "phone call". >> My >> phone company does not charge my local hardware store for calling >> them >> if they are with a different phone company any more than it charges >> my >> mom when I call her back in Minnesota (I live in New York). My >> *mom's* >> phone company might charge her for the the call, depending on the >> plan, but that's about as far as it goes. >> >> The provider idea could bite us hard. >> >> Note that originally the settlement fees were demanded by the >> established phone companies to mild the upstart cell companies for >> revenues. They weren't smart when they started those agreements and >> it >> came back to bite them later when CLECs exploited the ideas in novel >> ways with the advent of the Internet where you could guarantee >> certain >> incoming-only calls. But they aren't going to be so stupid as to not >> think of those loop holes a second time ;-). >> >> Chuck >> >>> -RickG >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Eric Rogers >>> <ecrog...@precisionds.com>wrote: >>> >>>> I do agree with you and that works if there are other options. One >>>> customer who was downloading 160G, came from DSL and moved into >>>> this >>>> neighborhood and now wants high speed where we are the only >>>> option. It >>>> is only a matter of time before others are using Netflix and >>>> others. >>>> They come in all gaming consoles now. Why not have the customers >>>> pay >>>> for upgrades? If there is a high demand for services, the demand >>>> drives >>>> growth; or fees stifle demand. >>>> >>>> Maybe my logic is flawed, but if 5% of the customer base is >>>> straining >>>> the network, shouldn't they pay more? >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>> boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:22 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing >>>> >>>> 10% of your customers will use 90% of your resources. Direct that >>>> 10% >>>> customer base to cable or DSL and stop worrying about adding >>>> complexity >>>> to your network. >>>> >>>> Travis >>>> Microserv >>>> >>>> Chuck Profito wrote: >>>>> Marlon does this and smiles every time he signs a Bandwidth Hog! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>>> boun...@wispa.org] >>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Eric Rogers >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:56 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing >>>>> >>>>> We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing >>>> structure >>>>> with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but >>>>> they >>>>> get charged the overage. Netflix is getting out of control and I >>>> don't >>>>> want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally. I >>>>> think >>>>> they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new >>>>> applications. I just want people that download 160 GB in a month, >>>> when >>>>> the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for >>>>> expanding >>>>> the network. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your >>>>> customers responses? >>>>> >>>>> What are your tiers? >>>>> >>>>> Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send >>>>> out >>>> the >>>>> letter saying we are doing it and why. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Eric Rogers >>>>> >>>>> Precision Data Solutions, LLC >>>>> >>>>> (317) 831-3000 x200 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> ---- >>>>> ---- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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