Tom ROTFL
You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> wrote: > I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is > here for > the long haul. >> From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto >> products > on their way. > > No problem with the $350 CPE level. > > But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. > > The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is > not > that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very > insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. > Its all > opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more > antennas, > etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their > legacy > components were when they were designed). > > I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ > price > concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was > to us 5 > years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of > 10mbps 5 > years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. > This is > from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as > well as > technology advancement. > > I'd pose the same arguements.... > > Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a > tough > call. > > Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply > because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, > before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from > calling > themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. > > But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage > line AP > cost in order to make a big splash in the market. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "3-dB Networks" <wi...@3-db.net> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > > >> Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen >> Moto >> give >> pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way >> off >> the >> mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> dan...@3-db.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >> boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Gino Villarini >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >> >> Soon as in q1 or q2 >> >> IIRC >> $350~ SM >> $3500~ AP >> >> Specs are in the website under 320 series >> >> Sent from my Motorola Startac... >> >> >> On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, "Tom DeReggi" >> <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> >> wrote: >> >>>> moto >>> >>> Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean >>> they are >>> talking about comming out with? >>> >>> In WISP time, there is a big difference. >>> >>> Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at >>> current >>> Canopy level price points. >>> But that is an if. >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Cc: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>> >>> >>>> Less? >>>> >>>> Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using >>>> mimo >>>> >>>> Sent from my Motorola Startac... >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, "Patrick Leary" <ple...@apertonet.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? >>>>> >>>>> All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency, >>>>> less >>>>> throughput per MHz, higher overhead and more cost. And you won't >>>>> get >>>>> any >>>>> hope for interoperability, indoor modems, USB dongles or PC cards, >>>>> since >>>>> those are only applicable to licensed bands. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Patrick Leary >>>>> Aperto Networks >>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>>> boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Michael Baird >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:22 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>>>> >>>>> We are looking for some more wimax gear to test for the 3.65 band, >>>>> our >>>>> basic criteria would be 802.16e/mimo, we've tested Alvarion gear >>>>> already. We are looking for something that will work in an urban >>>>> environment with self install radios, can deliver voice and if >>>>> possible >>>>> with PPP/NAT/DHCP in the radio rather then as an external gateway >>>>> device. 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